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One thing to remember about First Time Abatement for estimated tax penalties - it truly is a "first time" thing. The IRS typically only grants FTA once every 3-4 years per tax type. If you get it now, don't count on getting it again anytime soon! I'd recommend also setting up proper estimated tax payments going forward. The IRS Direct Pay system lets you schedule quarterly payments in advance, and you can use Form 1040-ES to calculate approximately how much you should pay each quarter based on your expected income.

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Thanks for that tip! Do you know if using the FTA for an estimated tax penalty would prevent me from using it for other types of penalties in the future? Like if I somehow ended up with a late filing penalty next year?

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Good question. The FTA policy is actually applied separately to different types of penalties. So using your FTA for an estimated tax penalty wouldn't prevent you from qualifying for an FTA on a late filing or late payment penalty in the future. The IRS treats each penalty type as its own category for FTA purposes. But you should still aim to avoid penalties altogether since FTAs aren't guaranteed and depend on your compliance history.

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Has anyone tried just calling the IRS Practitioner Priority Line instead of filing Form 843? I'm a tax preparer and sometimes we can get estimated tax penalties removed over the phone if it's a first-time situation and the amount is under $1,000.

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Isn't the Practitioner Priority Line only for tax professionals with CAF numbers? I don't think regular taxpayers can use that line - we're stuck with the normal IRS customer service line.

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Jamal Wilson

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Just a heads up to everyone that if you're claiming the American Opportunity Credit for the same student, this changes the calculation quite a bit. We found that filing a return for our student (even though not required) to claim AOTC gave us a $2500 credit, which far outweighed any PTC reduction. The scholarship was still unearned income, but the education credit made filing worthwhile.

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Mei Lin

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So does this mean your student's income DID count toward PTC household income once you filed their return? Or were they still exempt from household income because they were below the filing requirement threshold, even though you voluntarily filed? This distinction seems really important.

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Jamal Wilson

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Their income remained exempt from the household income calculation for Premium Tax Credit purposes. The key is that they were below the filing requirement thresholds ($12,950 for earned income and $1,250 for unearned income), so even though we voluntarily filed a return, their income didn't have to be included in the PTC household calculation. The IRS looks at whether they were required to file, not whether they actually filed. This is an important distinction that many tax software programs don't explain well. So we got the benefit of claiming the American Opportunity Credit without any negative impact on our Premium Tax Credit.

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Wait, has anyone actually double-checked what counts as "earned income" for the Additional Child Tax Credit specifically? I thought that was different from the general definition of earned income. Like, does work-study even count for ACTC purposes? This is getting confusing!!!

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Good question! For Additional Child Tax Credit purposes, earned income refers to wages, salaries, tips, self-employment income, and certain disability benefits. Work-study income does count as earned income because it's reported on a W-2 as wages. However, the confusion might be because you're thinking of the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC), which has its own specific definition of earned income. For the Additional Child Tax Credit, what matters is having at least $2,500 of earned income to begin qualifying, but the credit amount is based on your overall tax situation, not just earned income.

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Thanks for clearing that up! I was totally mixing up ACTC requirements with EITC. That makes much more sense now. So if I understand right, the parent needs earned income to qualify for ACTC, but the scholarship question is more about how it affects household income for Premium Tax Credit, not whether it counts for the ACTC calculation itself?

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Paolo Conti

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When I started my LLC, I was confused too. My accountant told me to just use cash basis because: 1. It's easier to understand (money in, money out - done) 2. Better for taxes usually (you can time income/expenses better) 3. Less bookkeeping hassle 4. Most small businesses use it Unless you have inventory or make over $26 million annually, cash method is usually fine. The IRS generally prefers small businesses use cash accounting anyway.

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Amina Sow

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I heard businesses with inventory HAVE to use accrual. Is that true? I'm planning to sell handmade jewelry through my LLC and will have some materials on hand.

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GalaxyGazer

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The real question to ask: How do you plan to run your business day-to-day? If you're mostly getting paid immediately for services (like a coffee shop, hair salon, etc.), cash basis makes more sense. If you send lots of invoices with payment terms, have significant inventory, or have business loans/financing, accrual might give you a clearer financial picture. Don't overthink it though - most accountants can help you change methods later if needed. Cash is simpler to start with.

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That's super helpful! My business will be mostly project-based digital marketing with clients paying after work is completed, usually within 30 days. No inventory really, just my time and some software subscriptions. So it sounds like cash would be simpler to start with?

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GalaxyGazer

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For a project-based digital marketing business with 30-day payment terms and no inventory, cash accounting would absolutely be simpler to start with. It'll align better with your actual cash flow (which is what you really care about when you're starting out), and the record-keeping is much more straightforward. You'll just record income when clients actually pay you, which makes tax planning easier too. If your business model changes significantly down the road or you grow substantially, you can always reconsider, but cash accounting is the right choice for your situation now.

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Kaitlyn Otto

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Has your brother-in-law considered investing in opportunity zones? That's what my dad did with his commercial real estate business to defer a huge capital gains hit. They can roll profits into qualified opportunity zone funds and defer taxes while also supporting economic development. Could be a double win situation if he's in a position to make those kinds of investments.

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That's interesting - I've heard about opportunity zones but don't really understand how they work. Would this only help if he's selling property with capital gains, or can it help with his regular business income too? And are there any risks involved?

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Kaitlyn Otto

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Opportunity zones primarily help with capital gains, not ordinary business income. If your brother-in-law sells property, equipment, or even business interests at a profit, he could defer those capital gains taxes by reinvesting in a qualified opportunity zone fund within 180 days of the sale. The main risks include market risks (as with any investment), liquidity constraints (funds typically have 10-year holding periods for maximum benefits), and potential regulatory changes since this is a relatively new program. There's also geographic limitation since investments must be in designated opportunity zones. I'd definitely suggest talking with both a financial advisor and tax professional before pursuing this strategy.

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Axel Far

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Has anyone mentioned cost segregation studies for construction business owners? We did this last year and it was a game changer. Basically an engineering firm analyzes all your business assets and breaks them down to accelerate depreciation. Our study cost about $15k but saved us over $120k in taxes the first year.

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This is especially useful if your brother-in-law owns the buildings where his business operates. My construction company did a cost seg study on our headquarters building and main warehouse. We were able to reclassify about 35% of the assets from 39-year property to 5 or 7-year property. Massive tax deferral benefit.

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Payton Black

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5 Consider asking your IRA provider if they offer a special "removal of excess contributions" service. Many of them have dedicated processes specifically for fixing these situations and can handle most of the calculations and paperwork for you. When I discovered I had made excess contributions to my Roth IRA for two years, Fidelity walked me through their correction process. They calculated the exact earnings attributable to the excess amounts and filled out most of the paperwork. I still had to file Form 5329, but having their documentation made it much easier.

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Payton Black

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14 Would that still work if it's been more than 2-3 years? I thought there was some deadline for removing excess contributions without penalties.

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Payton Black

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5 You're right that there's a deadline for removing excess contributions without the 6% penalty - it's typically by the tax filing deadline plus extensions (around October 15th) for the year of the contribution. Since the OP's situation involves contributions from 2020-2022, they would likely still owe the 6% penalty for each year the excess remained in the account. However, most IRA providers can still process the removal of excess contributions even after this deadline. The benefit is that removing the excess now stops the 6% penalty from continuing to apply to future years.

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Payton Black

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17 Have you considered just leaving it alone? I'm not advising tax evasion, but realistically, the IRS is severely backlogged and understaffed. The chance of them specifically auditing your Roth contributions is pretty slim unless you're being audited for other reasons.

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Payton Black

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2 This is terrible advice. The IRS receives direct reporting of IRA contributions from financial institutions. If their systems flag a mismatch between your reported income and Roth eligibility, it'll trigger an automated notice. Besides, the penalties compound the longer you wait. Better to fix it proactively than risk bigger headaches down the road.

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