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I submitted my taxes through the H&R Block app back on January 18th and was expecting a decent refund - nothing crazy but it was all straightforward. Now it's been like 3 weeks and the "Where's My Refund" tool still shows it as processing. Got a little anxious so I decided to review the actual return PDF and noticed something weird in the payments section. There's this extra amount listed besides my federal taxes withheld. Looking deeper, I found it was on Schedule 3, line 15: excess social security tax withheld. At first I thought maybe this was legit since my company switched payroll systems mid-year and I got two W2s. I figured maybe I hit the social security tax limit and was due some back. But after doing some math, my total SS withholding across both W2s is exactly what it should be (same employer, just split W2s because of the payroll change). What's really strange is that the amount H&R Block put on Schedule 3, line 15 matches EXACTLY what was withheld from my wife's W2 for social security tax. We're married filing jointly. It's not going to make us owe anything - worst case our refund is just smaller than what the software calculated. But it's concerning that the software would randomly add this "excess" social security tax that doesn't seem to actually exist. Has anyone else run into something similar with H&R Block's software? Is this a known glitch? Really don't want to deal with an amended return later.
So I'm pretty confused about this IRS Direct File thing I keep hearing about. I live in Virginia and I was hoping to use it this year, but apparently it's not available here? Can someone explain why it's only for certain states? I'm also wondering how the whole system works. Like if I direct file with the IRS, will my information automatically transfer to my Virginia state tax return somehow? That would be super convenient if it did. Also, does anyone know which tax filing companies are actually partnered with the IRS? I swear I used to see a list of official IRS partners on their website, but I can't find it anymore. I think I remember FreeTaxUSA being an official partner while TurboTax wasn't? Would be great to get some clarity on all this before tax season!
To answer the original question about why Direct File isn't available in all states - it's largely political. I worked in tax policy for years, and the major tax prep companies lobby HARD against free filing programs. States have to specifically opt in to the program, and the tax software industry puts pressure on state legislators to avoid joining. Virginia specifically has some tax processing systems that would need updating to be compatible with Direct File's current format. Plus, several legislators there have received campaign contributions from the tax prep industry (you can look this up in public records).
That's really disappointing to hear but makes a lot of sense. Do you know if there's anything Virginia residents can do to push for inclusion in the program? Should we be contacting state representatives or something?
Yes, contacting your state representatives is definitely the most effective approach. Let them know you want Virginia to join the IRS Direct File program for the next tax season. Specific requests like this can gain traction, especially if many constituents express interest. Additionally, you can submit feedback directly to the IRS about your interest in having the program expanded to Virginia. While the IRS doesn't make the final decision on state participation, documented public interest helps build the case for expansion.
Quick question - does anyone know if any of the free filing options through IRS partners allow you to do both federal AND state filing for free? I'm also in Virginia and trying to avoid paying anything if possible. My situation is pretty simple - just a W-2 and some student loan interest.
I'm trying to figure out who I should hire to deal with some complicated tax stuff from last year. What exactly does a tax lawyer do that a CPA doesn't handle? And vice versa? I inherited some property from my uncle and also started a side business, so my taxes are suddenly way more complicated than the simple returns I've filed before. Someone mentioned I might need a tax lawyer instead of just my regular tax preparer, but I have no idea what the difference is or when you would need one over the other. Anyone have experience working with both who can explain the difference in responsibilities and when you'd want to hire each one? Costs are obviously a factor too, but I'm more interested in understanding what services each one actually provides. Thanks!
To add to the distinction between CPAs and tax lawyers - it's also about when you bring them in. CPAs are great for ongoing tax compliance and planning BEFORE you file. Tax lawyers are often brought in AFTER there's a problem or for complex planning. My family learned this the hard way when my father tried to handle a complex real estate exchange himself with just TurboTax. Ended up with an audit and potential penalties. The tax attorney saved us thousands by properly structuring an argument based on tax case law that a CPA wouldn't have been familiar with. For your inheritance situation, a CPA is probably sufficient unless there are legal disputes about the inheritance or particularly complex assets involved.
What about for tax planning for the future? I've got a small business that's starting to do well, and I'm wondering if I should be talking to someone about the best way to structure things for tax purposes before it gets bigger.
For forward-looking tax planning with a growing business, I'd actually recommend starting with a CPA who specializes in small businesses. They can help with immediate tax optimization strategies and basic business structure advice. As your business grows more complex or if you're considering significant changes like bringing on investors or expanding internationally, that's when adding a tax attorney to your advisory team makes sense. The attorney can help with more sophisticated legal structures and contracts that have tax implications while ensuring you're protected legally in other ways too.
One thing nobody has mentioned is that many professionals are BOTH CPAs and tax attorneys. My tax guy has both credentials and it's super helpful because he can handle everything from preparing my returns to helping with tax court issues when my ex-wife messed up our joint return from years ago. Cost-wise, CPAs are generally cheaper (like $150-300/hr in my area) while tax attorneys can run $350-600/hr depending on their experience and location. But sometimes paying for the attorney saves money in the long run if you have serious tax issues.
That's really good to know! I hadn't considered someone might have both credentials. Do you find that having someone with both qualifications costs more than just a regular CPA for standard tax prep?
For standard tax prep, professionals with both credentials do tend to charge more than a typical CPA - I pay about 25% more than friends who use regular CPAs. However, I don't think it's necessary to pay that premium for straightforward tax preparation. Where I've found the dual credential valuable is for ongoing tax planning throughout the year. My situation includes a small business, rental properties, and some international income, so having someone who understands both the accounting and legal implications has helped me make better strategic decisions and avoid costly mistakes. For simpler situations, a good CPA alone is probably sufficient.
I'm in a really tough spot and could use some advice... I previously ran a small business but didn't file taxes for several years, and now I'm drowning in tax debt. The worst is from 2021 when I made about $76k on a single crypto transaction, and now I owe almost $76k for that year alone. My situation now is pretty dire - only getting $100/week in unemployment benefits after my business closed in 2020 (covid hit us hard), plus dealing with major damage to my home from a flood last year. The IRS low income tax clinic is helping me, and they suggested filing penalty abatements for each tax year I owe (2016, 2017, 2018, and 2021). I have a friend willing to give me a personal loan to cover the principal amount, but he wants me to try getting the penalties removed first. I can't afford a lawyer, so I'm lost on how to properly fill out the penalty abatement forms to send to my IRS low income case manager. I started trying to relaunch my business last month, so I'm not eligible for an Offer in Compromise. Any advice on how to approach the penalty abatement request would be so appreciated. I'm desperate to get this resolved and move forward with my life.
Have you considered bankruptcy? I know it sounds extreme, but certain tax debts can actually be discharged in bankruptcy if they're old enough (generally 3+ years). Not saying it's the right choice, but might be worth looking into if the penalty abatements don't work out.
I hadn't considered bankruptcy yet. That feels like a last resort to me, especially since I'm trying to restart my business. Would the 2021 crypto tax debt even qualify since it's more recent? And wouldn't bankruptcy make it impossible to get business loans or credit in the future?
You're right to be cautious about bankruptcy. The 2021 crypto debt wouldn't qualify yet - tax debts must generally be from returns due at least 3 years before filing bankruptcy. So that major portion of your debt wouldn't be dischargeable right now. Bankruptcy does seriously impact your credit and ability to get business financing - typically stays on your credit report for 7-10 years. Since you're restarting your business, this could definitely create significant obstacles. Many business loans, commercial leases, and vendor credit arrangements check bankruptcy history specifically. I'd exhaust all options with penalty abatement and payment plans first before considering this route.
Your friend offering the loan to pay the principal is amazingly generous. Just make sure you get the loan terms in writing to protect both of you. Also, before accepting, double-check with your LITC advisor about how partial payments might affect your case. Sometimes making partial payments can restart certain statute of limitations clocks with the IRS.
I'm trying to figure out the tax situation with my education expenses. I know how to input the 1098-T from my regular 4-year university where I was enrolled, but I'm confused about my pharmacy technician certificate program at the community college. The community college didn't give me a 1098-T form, and when I reached out to them, they basically said they don't provide them for certificate programs like mine. I paid around $3,200 for these classes and I have all my receipts saved. My question is - do I still need to report these expenses on my taxes even without the 1098-T? And if yes, how exactly do I do that? I'm using FreeTaxUSA and it says something about still being able to enter educational expenses even if the school doesn't provide forms, but the instructions are super confusing. I can't figure out where to enter the amounts or upload my receipts. Has anyone dealt with this before? I don't want to miss out on potential education credits but also don't want to mess anything up with the IRS.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but couldn't you just call the community college's financial office and request the 1098-T form? Schools are required to provide them for qualified education expenses. Might be easier than all these workarounds.
I actually tried that first! The financial aid office told me they only issue 1098-Ts for degree-seeking students, not for certificate programs like the pharmacy tech one. When I pressed them on it, they said something about certificate programs not meeting the federal requirements for the form, but that I could still claim the expenses on my taxes without it. That's exactly why I'm so confused - they won't give me the form but say I can still claim the expenses somehow. Was hoping someone here had been through something similar.
Ah, that makes sense. I wasn't aware that certificate programs were treated differently. After some research, it seems schools actually aren't required to provide 1098-Ts for non-degree programs, even though the expenses might still qualify for education credits. In your case, I'd go with the advice others have given about manually entering the expenses. Keep all your receipts and course enrollment documents handy in case of questions later. The Lifetime Learning Credit should work perfectly for your situation.
Quick tip from someone who went through this last year - make sure you're clear on whether your pharmacy tech program qualifies as an "eligible educational institution" for tax purposes. Not all certificate programs do, even at community colleges. Check if your school has a Federal School Code (you can look it up on the FAFSA website). If they do, you're good to claim the expenses. If not, you might be out of luck. Just wanted to mention this since no one else brought it up!
CosmicCowboy
Just wanted to add my experience - I ran into this exact excess Social Security tax issue with H&R Block last year. For 2023 taxes, I switched to using FreeTaxUSA and the problem didn't happen again. Their software handled my multiple W-2s correctly and didn't mistakenly claim excess SS tax on Schedule 3. The worst part about H&R Block's error was that the "review" step never flagged it as a potential issue, so I had no way of knowing until the IRS adjusted my refund. Something to consider for next year's filing if you want to avoid this happening again.
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Amina Diallo
Does FreeTaxUSA handle other complex situations well? I've got multiple W-2s, 1099s, and some investment income. Been hesitant to switch from H&R Block despite these issues.
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CosmicCowboy
In my experience, FreeTaxUSA handles complex returns surprisingly well. I have W-2 income, several 1099-NECs from freelance work, investment income from multiple brokerages, and even some foreign income. It walked me through everything clearly and let me review the actual forms before filing. The biggest difference I noticed is that FreeTaxUSA seems to calculate things more accurately when you have multiple income sources. The Schedule 3 excess Social Security tax was calculated correctly, and it even caught a credit H&R Block missed the year before. The interface isn't as pretty as H&R Block, but the calculations seem more reliable, especially for situations like yours with multiple income sources.
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Oliver Schulz
Has anyone actually received an official IRS adjustment letter for this specific excess Social Security tax error? My return was accepted 4 weeks ago with what I suspect is this same issue, and it's still "processing" with no updates. I'm worried they're just going to reject it entirely.
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Natasha Orlova
I got an adjustment letter about 6 weeks after filing. They reduced my refund by the exact amount that was incorrectly claimed as excess Social Security tax on Schedule 3, line 15. The letter was pretty clear about what they changed and why. Return was processed normally after that, just with the smaller refund amount.
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