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Has anyone tried just ignoring a small W-2 like this? I got one for $36 two years ago and just left it off my return. Nothing ever came of it. IRS probably has bigger fish to fry than chasing down tiny amounts.
Terrible advice. The IRS computers automatically match ALL W-2s against your filed return regardless of amount. Skip it and you're pretty much guaranteed to get a letter demanding the additional tax plus interest and penalties. The system is fully automated for this kind of matching, it's not about them "choosing" to come after you.
You're probably right, and I wouldn't recommend anyone else do what I did. I got lucky that year, but it's not worth the risk. The IRS matching system doesn't catch everything immediately, so sometimes issues like this can surface years later with added penalties. Better to deal with it properly upfront rather than potentially having a bigger headache down the road.
I'm confused by some of these comments. If you know for sure you didn't earn the money, why would you report it and pay taxes on it? Shouldn't the company issue a corrected W-2 instead?
Great question! The reason tax professionals generally advise reporting it is because the IRS has already received a copy of that W-2. If you don't report it, their automated systems will flag the mismatch. The ideal solution is absolutely to get the company to issue a corrected W-2, but that can take time and companies aren't always responsive. If you can't get it corrected before the filing deadline, you have two options: 1) File Form 4852 (Substitute for W-2) explaining the discrepancy, or 2) Report the income and then file an amended return later if the company issues a correction. Either way, it's important to document your attempts to resolve the issue with the employer. Keep copies of emails, names of people you spoke with, and dates of your communications. This documentation is valuable if the IRS questions the situation later.
That makes sense! So it's more about avoiding the automated flag than actually paying tax on money you never received. I guess $63 wouldn't be much tax anyway, but it's the principle of the thing. Thanks for explaining!
Don't forget to consider state tax implications of the switch! Depending on your state, there can be significant differences in how S Corps vs C Corps are taxed at the state level. For example, in California, S Corps pay a 1.5% tax on net income (minimum $800), which is different from the C Corp rate. Some states don't recognize S Corps at all for state tax purposes!
This is such an important point. I'm in New York and was surprised to learn they have an additional tax for S corporations that I wasn't expecting. Always research your specific state requirements before making the switch.
The timing of when you make the conversion matters a lot. If your business has significant assets that have appreciated in value (like real estate, equipment, intellectual property), converting can trigger a tax on that appreciation. If your business is mainly service-based with minimal assets, this is less of a concern. But if you do have valuable assets, consider getting them properly valued before making any decisions.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - you should look into establishing a separate entity specifically for your real estate development activities. I have a plumbing business and rental properties, and my CPA recommended setting up: 1. My original S-Corp for the plumbing business 2. An LLC taxed as a partnership for the rental properties 3. A separate LLC for property development/flips This way, there's no confusion about which expenses belong where. My plumbing business can legitimately bill my development projects at market rates for any plumbing work. For materials, I keep separate accounts and credit cards for each business to avoid commingling funds. For your specific situation, materials for your rentals will still need to be depreciated over time, but with the right entity structure and cost segregation, you can optimize your tax situation significantly. Just don't make the mistake of running everything through your landscaping business like I initially did with my plumbing company.
Does having multiple entities create more paperwork and higher accounting costs? I'm in a similar situation with my flooring business and some rental properties, but my accountant charges me per entity for tax filings.
Yes, having multiple entities does increase paperwork and accounting costs. I pay about $800 more annually in accounting fees and have additional state filing fees. However, the tax benefits and liability protection far outweigh these costs in my situation. The biggest advantage is clarity - there's no question about which expenses belong to which business. This makes documentation much cleaner if you ever face an audit. It also helps with planning because you can see the true profitability of each venture. My landscaping business seemed less profitable than it actually was when I was running some development costs through it incorrectly.
I've been doing exactly what you're trying to do for about 7 years now. Started with a painting company, moved into flips, and now have 11 rental units. Here's what I've learned: 1. For flips: You CANNOT deduct materials as expenses through your landscaping business. These costs are part of your "basis" in the property and offset your profit when you sell. You might need to amend previous returns if you've been doing this wrong. 2. For rentals: New construction costs are capitalized and depreciated over 27.5 years (residential). BUT - you can do a cost segregation study that lets you depreciate many components much faster (5-15 years). This can front-load deductions in the early years. 3. Entity structure: Consider having your landscaping business be a legitimate contractor for your real estate projects. Charge fair market rates, keep proper documentation, and you can move some profit that way. 4. 1031 exchanges: Look into these for your flips if you want to defer taxes and build your rental portfolio faster. Don't get discouraged! The tax rules for real estate actually favor investors once you understand them properly. My tax bill is way lower now than when I was just running my painting business.
Quick tip from someone who went through this exact scenario two years ago: gather proof of where you WERE during the time the IRS claims you were working at this company. I was a student too, and I provided: 1. My class schedule from that semester 2. My student ID swipe records showing I was on campus 3. My part-time job timesheets from the campus library 4. Bank statements showing regular withdrawals near campus (not near the supposed employer) The IRS attorney took one look at this package and realized it would be impossible for me to have worked full-time at the company in question. We settled before ever going to court. Also, call the SSA and request a wage and income transcript for that tax year. It might show who actually received the income (could be someone with a similar SSN to yours).
This is brilliant! I hadn't thought about proving where I actually was during that time. I can definitely get my class schedule, campus card swipes, and my work-study timesheets from the university admin office. Did you just compile all this into a packet? And did you send it to the IRS attorney directly or submit it through the Tax Court system?
I compiled everything into a single PDF with a cover page that had my name, tax ID (last 4 digits only), tax year, and case number. I included a simple timeline showing how my documented whereabouts made it impossible for me to have worked at the company in question. I actually did both - I submitted it formally through the Tax Court DAWSON system AND sent a courtesy copy directly to the IRS attorney once they were assigned to my case. The direct approach with the attorney was what moved things along quickly. They appreciate organized evidence that makes their job easier. When the IRS attorney contacts you (they will), be polite and professional but also very clear about your evidence. They're often reasonable people who don't want to waste court resources on cases they're likely to lose.
Just adding that I went through something like this and learned identity theft might be involved. Request an Identity Protection PIN from the IRS at https://www.irs.gov/identity-theft-fraud-scams/get-an-identity-protection-pin Also, check your credit report immediately. Someone might have used your SSN for employment and that could appear there. The company not existing anymore is actually common in these scams. Sometimes "companies" are created just to file fake W-2s and then disappear. Make sure you mention this suspicion in your court documents.
This happened to my roommate! He had a CP3219A for income from a "consulting company" that had dissolved. Turned out someone had used his SSN for employment. The red flag was that the company was in Nevada, but he'd never even been to Nevada. OP should definitely check if the company was in a location that doesn't make sense for a college student. That strengthens the identity theft argument.
Oliver Becker
Don't forget about the AMT implications with ISOs! Even if you have a disqualifying disposition, you might still need to figure out if you paid any AMT in the year you exercised. If you did, you might be eligible for an AMT credit. The whole ISO system is ridiculously complicated. When I exercised some ISOs in 2022, I had to pay AMT that year. Then when I sold in 2023 (disqualifying disposition), I got ordinary income but was also eligible for an AMT credit. Make sure you're tracking all this stuff.
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Miguel Alvarez
ā¢I'm honestly not even sure if I paid AMT when I exercised these. How would I know? Would it have been obvious on my 2023 return or is this something that could have happened without me realizing it?
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Oliver Becker
ā¢Check your 2023 tax return for Form 6251 (Alternative Minimum Tax). If you paid AMT, it would show up there and on line 1 of Schedule 2 of your Form 1040. If you did pay AMT in 2023 when you exercised, you'll likely be eligible for an AMT credit on your 2025 return (for the 2024 tax year when you sold). You'll need to file Form 8801 (Credit for Prior Year Minimum Tax) along with your return. This credit can potentially offset some of the tax impact from your disqualifying disposition.
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Natasha Petrova
Something else to consider with ISOs - if your company is private or was private when you exercised, the calculation of the bargain element can get really messy. Companies use 409A valuations which might not match what you think the shares are worth. My company went public 8 months after I exercised some ISOs and the 409A value at exercise ($12/share) was WAY lower than the IPO price ($47/share). I made a disqualifying disposition but the bargain element was calculated based on the lower 409A value, not the public market value when I sold.
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Javier Hernandez
ā¢Yep, this happened at my last job too. But be careful - some companies mess up the reporting on disqualifying dispositions. My employer reported the wrong amount on my W-2 (they used the sale price instead of FMV at exercise for calculating the ordinary income). Had to get an amended W-2 which was a huge hassle. Double-check your W-2 when you get it!
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