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Sean Kelly

Why is getting a tiny tax refund or $0 bill considered winning at taxes?

So I was scrolling through and noticed everyone congratulating that person who posted about getting a $1 tax refund. It got me thinking - why exactly is having practically no refund considered such a good thing? I mean, I get that not owing anything is definitely a positive, but why is getting back just $1 (or close to zero) seen as the ideal tax situation? Is there some benefit I'm missing out on? I've always been excited when I get a bigger refund check, feels like bonus money! But seems like tax-savvy people prefer the opposite? Would love to understand the reasoning behind this! Thanks in advance for explaining this to a tax novice! :

Zara Malik

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The reason tax professionals consider a small refund or small bill the "sweet spot" is because it means you've managed your tax withholding almost perfectly throughout the year. When you get a large refund, what you've essentially done is give the government an interest-free loan of your money throughout the year. You could have had that money in your paycheck each month to invest, pay down debt, or use for expenses. Instead, you let the IRS hold onto it for you and returned it months later with zero interest. On the flip side, if you owe a lot at tax time, that can be stressful and potentially result in penalties if you can't pay right away. The ideal situation is to have your withholding set up so you're paying almost exactly what you owe throughout the year - no large loan to the government, and no surprise bill in April.

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Luca Greco

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But doesn't getting a bigger refund help people save? I know if that money was in my regular paycheck I'd probably just spend it on random stuff. The tax refund feels like forced savings that I can use for something meaningful.

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Zara Malik

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That's actually a common perspective and if that forced savings method works for you, there's nothing inherently wrong with it. For some people, a large refund is the only way they'll accumulate a lump sum for something important like paying down debt or making a major purchase. The downside is flexibility. When that money is tied up with the IRS, you can't access it during emergencies throughout the year. And if you're carrying high-interest debt, you're essentially paying interest on money the government is holding for you interest-free. For people who struggle with saving, there are alternatives like automatic transfers to savings accounts that accomplish the same goal while keeping your money accessible.

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Nia Thompson

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Aisha Hussain

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I'm always skeptical of these tax tools. How does it compare to just using the IRS withholding calculator? That's free and straight from the source.

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Nia Thompson

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Ethan Brown

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Aisha Hussain

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Aisha Hussain

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Yuki Yamamoto

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To answer the original question from a different angle - while getting close to zero is mathematically optimal, there are actually some psychological benefits to getting a refund that shouldn't be dismissed. For many people, that annual "windfall" becomes their only meaningful savings all year. Yes, it's technically an interest-free loan to the government, but the "forced savings" aspect can be valuable for people who struggle to save otherwise. The key is making an intentional choice rather than just letting your withholding happen by default. If you decide you want a refund as a forced savings mechanism, that's valid! Just recognize that you're prioritizing the psychological benefit over the small amount of interest you might earn.

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Carmen Ruiz

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How much interest are we really talking about though? Like if someone gets a $3000 refund, how much are they actually losing by letting the government hold it?

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Yuki Yamamoto

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The interest amount depends on what you would have done with the money instead. Using your $3000 example, if that refund built up gradually over the year (about $250/month): If you'd put it in a high-yield savings account at 3.5%, you'd have earned roughly $60 in interest over the year. Not life-changing, but it's something. If you used that monthly amount to pay down credit card debt at 18% interest, the impact would be much more significant - potentially saving around $300 in interest charges over the year. And if you invested it in the market with an average 7% return (obviously with more risk), that theoretical long-term value would be about $110 in potential growth. So it really depends on your personal financial situation. If you have high-interest debt, the cost of overwithholding is much higher than if you'd just park it in a savings account.

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Fun fact: the average tax refund is around $3,200, which means the average taxpayer is letting the government hold about $266 of their money each month. Anyone else find it weird that we've normalized giving interest-free loans to the government?

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Zoe Dimitriou

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Isn't that just a result of how the withholding tables are designed though? Like they're intentionally set up to withhold a little extra so people don't end up with surprise tax bills? I don't think most people are consciously choosing to overpay.

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