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Has anyone used the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator on the official IRS website? I found it helpful for a similar situation.
Just to be clear, you're DEFINITELY not paying your employer's portion of payroll taxes. That's a completely separate thing that never shows up on your tax return. What you're experiencing is just the result of our progressive tax system when you have multiple incomes in a household. Each dollar of your income is essentially taxed at your highest marginal rate when added to your husband's income. So if his income put you in the 22% bracket, your additional income gets taxed at 22% (minus deductions). That's completely normal and how the system is designed to work, even though it can feel unfair.
Just want to add a different perspective - I'm a payroll administrator and we've seen this issue CONSTANTLY this year. The IRS did adjust withholding tables, but the real issue is the W-4 form redesign that many people still haven't updated. If you and your spouse both work and you're using old W-4 forms or haven't checked the "two jobs" box on the new forms, you're almost guaranteed to be under-withheld. I recommend every dual-income household run their numbers through the IRS Withholding Estimator tool (it's free): https://www.irs.gov/individuals/tax-withholding-estimator The problem is so common that our HR department now sends quarterly reminders to all employees about checking their withholding.
Thanks for this perspective! I just checked our W-4s online through our employers' portals and yep - neither of us had checked that "two jobs" box. Do you think it's worth trying to get an extension to file since we owe so much? And will we get hit with underpayment penalties?
You can absolutely file for an extension using Form 4868, which gives you until October 15 to file your return. However, it's important to understand that this is only an extension to file the paperwork, not an extension to pay what you owe. You'll still need to estimate and pay your tax by the regular deadline to avoid penalties and interest. Regarding underpayment penalties, you might avoid them if you meet one of the safe harbor provisions: if your withholding and estimated payments cover either 90% of your current year tax or 100% of your prior year tax (110% if your AGI was over $150,000). If you were getting refunds in previous years, you might qualify under the prior year tax safe harbor, but you should check your specific situation.
Has anyone tried adjusting their W-4 through their employer's online portal? My HR says I can do it there but I'm worried about messing it up even more. Do I just check the box in Step 2 for two jobs or do I need to fill out the multiple jobs worksheet too?
The online portal is perfectly fine to use for W-4 adjustments. For most people with two relatively similar-paying jobs (like married couples where both work), simply checking the box in Step 2(c) is the easiest approach. This basically tells your employer to withhold at the higher single rate rather than the married rate. If your jobs have very different salaries, or you have more than two jobs, the multiple jobs worksheet or the IRS withholding calculator will give you more accurate results. You'd enter an additional amount to withhold in Step 4(c) based on those calculations.
Pro tip: If you're waiting for the 2025 forms to appear on payusatax.com, you can also use EFTPS.gov (Electronic Federal Tax Payment System). It's free and run directly by the Treasury. The downside is you have to enroll ahead of time and they mail you a PIN, which takes about a week. But they usually update for the new tax year by January 2nd, sometimes even before New Year's. I switched from payusatax to EFTPS three years ago and never looked back. No more fees!
Do you need to set up EFTPS separately for your business and personal taxes? I have both.
You can use the same EFTPS account for both business and personal taxes. When you make a payment, you select the tax form type and enter your tax ID (SSN for personal, EIN for business). The system keeps track of different payment types separately, so you can pay individual 1040-ES payments and business 941/940 payments through the same account. Really convenient if you have both personal and business tax obligations.
Has anyone had issues with payusatax.com payments not being properly credited to their account? Last year I made my payment on January 12th and the IRS didn't show it as received until February 3rd. Caused me a bunch of headaches.
Yes! Same problem. I switched to DirectPay on the IRS website instead (when it works) or EFTPS. Payusatax was always slow to credit the payment even though they took the money from my account right away.
One thing nobody mentioned yet - check if you actually did receive prior notices. The IRS is required to send multiple notices before sending debt to collections. Pull your IRS account transcripts (can be done online) and it will show all notices sent to you. If they sent notices to an old address or there's no record of prior notices, that strengthens your case for abatement. Also, 1065 penalties are especially harsh because they're designed to enforce timely filing for information returns. The $195/month/partner can add up quickly, which explains your $4950 penalty for what seems like a simple mistake.
That's a great point about checking the transcript for prior notices! I'll definitely do that. Our business did move offices in early 2023, and I'm now wondering if notices were sent to our old address even though we filed a change of address form. Is there a specific way to mention this when requesting abatement?
If your transcript shows notices were sent but you never received them because of an address issue, definitely mention that when requesting abatement. This falls under "reasonable cause" arguments. Specifically say: "We filed Form 8822-B to change our business address, but it appears notices were sent to our previous location. We never had the opportunity to respond to the original notices before this went to collections." The IRS is generally understanding about address issues, especially if you can show you tried to update your information properly. This would be in addition to requesting First-Time Abatement, giving you multiple angles for relief.
I hate to be the pessimist, but be prepared for this to take multiple attempts. I had almost identical partnership penalties last year and the first abatement request was denied despite having a clean record. Had to call back, escalate to a supervisor, and be very persistent. Eventually got it abated, but it wasn't the easy one-call fix some people are suggesting. The IRS is incredibly backlogged right now.
I second this. My first request was denied too, but second time worked. The key was getting actual IRS transcripts that proved we had good filing history. Just saying "we've always filed on time before" isn't enough - they want to see proof in their system.
Shelby Bauman
In addition to the tools others mentioned, don't forget you'll need to handle your state unemployment taxes and reporting for your S-Corp employees (including yourself if you take a salary). Each state has different systems, but most have online portals now. For 1099s, remember the deadline is January 31st, so that should be your first priority after getting payroll wrapped up. QuickBooks can generate these, but you need to make sure your vendor records include tax ID numbers. If you're really in a time crunch, consider hiring a bookkeeper just to help with year-end instead of a full CPA. They're usually more available and less expensive, and can handle the compliance pieces while you focus on tax planning.
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Cedric Chung
ā¢Thanks for mentioning the state unemployment taxes - I completely forgot about those! Do you know if the QuickBooks payroll service automatically handles those filings or is that something I need to set up separately? And any recommendations on finding a bookkeeper just for year-end stuff? Would I search for someone who specializes in "year-end closing" specifically?
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Shelby Bauman
ā¢QuickBooks Payroll handles federal and most state payroll taxes, but whether it includes unemployment taxes depends on which tier of service you have. With the higher tiers, they'll calculate and file these automatically, but with basic service you might need to handle filing yourself even if they calculate the amounts. For finding a year-end bookkeeper, I'd recommend searching for someone who specializes in "small business bookkeeping" and specifically mention you need "year-end closing and tax prep assistance." Many bookkeepers offer one-time cleanup services or quarterly/annual packages rather than requiring ongoing monthly work. Check the American Institute of Professional Bookkeepers directory or platforms like Upwork where you can filter for people with QuickBooks and tax prep experience.
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Quinn Herbert
Just a quick heads up on the 1099 forms - they've changed significantly in recent years. What used to be reported on 1099-MISC for contractor payments now goes on 1099-NEC (Non-Employee Compensation). 1099-MISC is still used but for different types of payments. Also if you're doing this yourself, don't buy the forms from office supply stores. You can e-file directly through the IRS FIRE system if you have less than 250 forms, or use a service like Tax1099.com which is what I use for my small business. Costs about $3.50 per form but saves tons of time.
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Salim Nasir
ā¢Does QuickBooks handle the e-filing of 1099-NEC forms? I've been using QB for years but always had my accountant handle the actual filing part.
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