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Giovanni Mancini

Am I paying both my and my employer's portions of income taxes? Why so high?

I work a small weekend job here in Georgia while my husband has his full-time position, and we file our taxes jointly. I only earned about $4,890 last year, but when we added my income to our tax return, our refund decreased by $586! That's like 12% of my income going straight to taxes (and that's not even counting the Medicare and Social Security that already came out). The thing is, my employer didn't withhold ANY federal income taxes from my paychecks (they did take out Medicare and SS though). Is it possible I'm getting stuck paying both my portion AND my employer's portion of taxes since nothing was withheld? I'm trying to figure out if I should change my W4 to request withholding for next year, but our return is already filed for this year. This just seems like a crazy high tax rate for such a small income. Does anyone have insight on this?

You're not actually paying your employer's portion of taxes, but I understand why it seems that way! What's happening is that when you file jointly, your income gets added to your husband's, which can push some of your combined income into a higher tax bracket. The reason your employer didn't withhold federal income tax is probably because on your W-4, you indicated that this job was your only one. Since your annual income from this job is so low (under the standard deduction threshold if it were your only job), the withholding tables would calculate that you owe zero federal income tax. But when combined with your husband's income on a joint return, that extra income gets taxed at your highest marginal rate. The solution is to adjust your W-4 at your part-time job. There's a multiple jobs worksheet or you can check the box in Step 2 that indicates you have multiple jobs in the household. This will prompt your employer to withhold at a higher rate to account for your total household income.

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So does this mean she's essentially being taxed at her husband's highest marginal rate? And if they filed separately, would she potentially pay less taxes overall?

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Yes, she's essentially being taxed at their highest marginal rate because her income is "stacked" on top of her husband's when filing jointly. As for filing separately, it's rarely beneficial for most couples. While her income alone might be taxed at a lower rate separately, married filing separately status loses several tax benefits and often results in a higher total tax bill. You'd lose tax credits like the Child Tax Credit, Earned Income Credit, education credits, and face lower thresholds for deductions. I'd recommend running the numbers both ways, but joint filing is typically advantageous despite this withholding issue.

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Your situation sounds similar to mine! If you're married filing jointly and both working, the tax withholding system doesn't automatically account for your combined household income. The simplest solution is to use the "Multiple Jobs" checkbox on your W-4 (Step 2b), but this sometimes withholds too much. For more precision, complete the Multiple Jobs Worksheet on the W-4 form. Or, my preferred method: just put an additional dollar amount to withhold on Line 4(c) of your W-4. If your refund decreased by $586 and you get paid biweekly, requesting about $23 extra per paycheck would cover it ($586 ÷ 26 = ~$23).

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Thank you for these specific suggestions! Is there a downside to just putting the extra amount on Line 4(c) versus using the Multiple Jobs checkbox? I'm trying to figure out the simplest approach that won't result in too much withholding.

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The main downside to using Line 4(c) is you need to calculate the right amount yourself, while the checkbox is automatic. The checkbox approach often withholds more than necessary, essentially giving the government an interest-free loan until you file taxes. Using line 4(c) with your calculated amount gives you more control and precision. You can always adjust it if your income changes. For your income level, I'd definitely go with the specific amount on Line 4(c) - more money in your pocket throughout the year.

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Has anyone used the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator on the official IRS website? I found it helpful for a similar situation.

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I tried it but found it confusing. You have to enter a ton of detailed information and I wasn't sure if I was doing it right. It also doesn't save your information so you have to re-enter everything if you want to try different scenarios.

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Just to be clear, you're DEFINITELY not paying your employer's portion of payroll taxes. That's a completely separate thing that never shows up on your tax return. What you're experiencing is just the result of our progressive tax system when you have multiple incomes in a household. Each dollar of your income is essentially taxed at your highest marginal rate when added to your husband's income. So if his income put you in the 22% bracket, your additional income gets taxed at 22% (minus deductions). That's completely normal and how the system is designed to work, even though it can feel unfair.

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