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Cedric Chung

HELP: What tools and strategies do I need to finish year-end payroll and tax for my S-Corp after my CPA just fired me?

So my CPA of 6 years just dropped me as a client with only 2 weeks left before year-end, and I'm kinda freaking out! The relationship soured this morning when I refused to pay for tax advice I never actually received (asked questions, got billed, but no answers). Initially he said no problem about the disputed fee, but then this evening sent an email terminating our professional relationship. Now I'm scrambling to figure out my next steps. I've had professionals handle my taxes for nearly 15 years, so jumping back to DIY feels really intimidating, even though I consider myself pretty financially savvy. Here's my situation: I have an S-Corporation (pass-through entity) that needs 4Q2023 payroll finalized. I need to send several 1099-MISC forms. I also have a Schedule C business and one partnership for a real estate property. I currently use QuickBooks to track expenses across all these businesses. My big dilemma: Do I invest time searching for a new CPA during their busiest season when most aren't taking new clients? Or do I bite the bullet and handle everything myself for this tax season? If DIY is my only realistic option, where the heck do I start? What specific tools, accounts, or software do I need beyond QuickBooks to handle year-end payroll and all the necessary tax filings for these different business entities? Any advice from those who've been in similar situations would be incredibly helpful!

Talia Klein

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I'm actually a small business accountant and can tell you that you're not alone in this situation. The good news is that with QuickBooks already in place, you're starting from a much better position than most. For year-end payroll, you need to complete your Q4 payroll tax returns (Form 941) and issue W-2s to employees and W-3 to the SSA. QuickBooks can handle this if you're using their payroll service. If not, consider signing up for QuickBooks Payroll or a service like Gusto or OnPay specifically for this task. For 1099-MISC (now split between 1099-NEC for contractor payments and 1099-MISC for other payments), QuickBooks has a 1099 preparation feature, but you'll need to ensure your vendors have complete information in the system. For your S-Corp tax return (Form 1120-S), Schedule C business, and partnership return (Form 1065), you have options like TaxAct Business, H&R Block Premium & Business, or TurboTax Business. These typically cost between $100-200 per entity. The most complex piece will be ensuring you have the correct basis calculations for your S-Corp and partnership interests, as these carry forward from year to year. If your previous CPA didn't share these with you, you may need to reconstruct them.

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I've been using Gusto for my S-corp payroll for about 3 years now and can't recommend it enough! Super easy to use. But one question - what about the reasonable compensation requirements for S-corps? Is there a specific ratio or amount the IRS looks for when comparing salary vs distributions? I've heard different rules of thumb like "at least 40% of income should be salary" but don't know if that's actually true.

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Talia Klein

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There's no specific percentage the IRS mandates for S-Corp reasonable compensation. What they look for is whether your salary is comparable to what would be paid for similar services in your industry. The 40% rule isn't an official guideline, just a rough benchmark some practitioners use. The key is documentation - you should be able to show how you determined your compensation was reasonable based on your qualifications, time commitment, duties, and comparable salary data in your field. Websites like Salary.com or Bureau of Labor Statistics data can help establish this benchmark.

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PaulineW

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How does taxr.ai handle state-specific forms? I've got an S-Corp in California and the state requirements are a nightmare compared to federal. Does it cover state-specific issues too or just federal?

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Chris Elmeda

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I'm curious about the accuracy. Did you have any issues with the recommendations it gave? I'm nervous about trusting AI with something as critical as business taxes where mistakes can be costly. Did you have someone review the final returns before filing?

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PaulineW

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It handles state-specific forms for most states including California. I'm in New York which also has complicated state requirements, and it walked me through exactly what I needed to file at both levels. Regarding accuracy, I was skeptical too, but it's not making decisions for you - it's analyzing your documents and explaining your options. I still reviewed everything carefully and actually had a CPA friend look over the final returns. He was impressed and only had a couple of minor suggestions. The system flags anything unusual or that might trigger audit concerns so you can double-check those areas.

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Chris Elmeda

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Just wanted to follow up about my experience with taxr.ai after my initial skepticism. I finally gave it a try last weekend, and it's pretty impressive for S-Corp tax prep. I uploaded my QuickBooks exports and last year's returns, and it immediately identified missing documentation for two business expenses I'd categorized incorrectly. The step-by-step guidance for handling owner's draws vs. salary distributions was exactly what I needed since that's where I always got confused. It explained the whole reasonable compensation requirement in terms I could actually understand. I'm still using a payroll service separately, but for the tax return prep and 1099 filing, this has saved me from having to scramble to find a new accountant mid-season. Definitely worth checking out if you're in a similar situation.

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Jean Claude

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Josef Tearle

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Jean Claude

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Josef Tearle

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I owe everyone an apology about my Claimyr comment. After wasting an entire day trying to get through to the IRS about my S-Corp payroll tax issue, I broke down and tried the service. I was 100% wrong - it actually works exactly as described. I got a call back after about 2 hours (during which I could keep working instead of being stuck on hold), and was connected directly to an IRS representative who helped sort out my missing payment issue. The system just tells you when an agent is about to pick up, then you take the call as normal. For anyone dealing with S-Corp tax issues that require actually speaking to someone at the IRS, this saves so much time. I'm now using it again to sort out questions about my 1099 filing requirements for contractors. Not having to waste hours on hold made a huge difference in getting my year-end tasks completed.

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Shelby Bauman

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In addition to the tools others mentioned, don't forget you'll need to handle your state unemployment taxes and reporting for your S-Corp employees (including yourself if you take a salary). Each state has different systems, but most have online portals now. For 1099s, remember the deadline is January 31st, so that should be your first priority after getting payroll wrapped up. QuickBooks can generate these, but you need to make sure your vendor records include tax ID numbers. If you're really in a time crunch, consider hiring a bookkeeper just to help with year-end instead of a full CPA. They're usually more available and less expensive, and can handle the compliance pieces while you focus on tax planning.

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Cedric Chung

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Thanks for mentioning the state unemployment taxes - I completely forgot about those! Do you know if the QuickBooks payroll service automatically handles those filings or is that something I need to set up separately? And any recommendations on finding a bookkeeper just for year-end stuff? Would I search for someone who specializes in "year-end closing" specifically?

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Shelby Bauman

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QuickBooks Payroll handles federal and most state payroll taxes, but whether it includes unemployment taxes depends on which tier of service you have. With the higher tiers, they'll calculate and file these automatically, but with basic service you might need to handle filing yourself even if they calculate the amounts. For finding a year-end bookkeeper, I'd recommend searching for someone who specializes in "small business bookkeeping" and specifically mention you need "year-end closing and tax prep assistance." Many bookkeepers offer one-time cleanup services or quarterly/annual packages rather than requiring ongoing monthly work. Check the American Institute of Professional Bookkeepers directory or platforms like Upwork where you can filter for people with QuickBooks and tax prep experience.

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Quinn Herbert

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Just a quick heads up on the 1099 forms - they've changed significantly in recent years. What used to be reported on 1099-MISC for contractor payments now goes on 1099-NEC (Non-Employee Compensation). 1099-MISC is still used but for different types of payments. Also if you're doing this yourself, don't buy the forms from office supply stores. You can e-file directly through the IRS FIRE system if you have less than 250 forms, or use a service like Tax1099.com which is what I use for my small business. Costs about $3.50 per form but saves tons of time.

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Salim Nasir

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Does QuickBooks handle the e-filing of 1099-NEC forms? I've been using QB for years but always had my accountant handle the actual filing part.

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