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How Do I Pay The IRS When I'm Flat Broke? - Need Options for Tax Debt

I really messed up with my taxes and now I owe the IRS somewhere between $22,000-$27,000. The problem is I literally have maybe $3,500 in total assets and my income is super inconsistent right now. Making things even more complicated, I'm heading back to school next fall to try to get my life on track, which means I'll basically have zero income while studying full-time. I know the IRS offers payment plans, but I'm worried I won't be able to afford even the minimum monthly payment they require. What happens in that situation? Are there any other options for someone in my position? I genuinely want to handle this responsibility and pay off what I owe, but it feels impossible right now. I'm starting to panic because I don't see a way forward. Any advice would be really appreciated.

You might also want to look into the Taxpayer Advocate Service. They're an independent organization within the IRS that helps taxpayers resolve problems. They can sometimes help negotiate more manageable payment plans if you're experiencing financial difficulties. I used them last year when I was in a similar situation (owed about $18k) and they were surprisingly helpful. Their service is free and they can sometimes cut through red tape faster than you can on your own.

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How do you contact the Taxpayer Advocate Service? Is there a long wait time to get help from them too?

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You can contact the Taxpayer Advocate Service directly by calling 1-877-777-4778 or by filling out Form 911 (Request for Taxpayer Advocate Service Assistance). You can also find your local office on the TAS website - sometimes it's faster to work with your local office. The wait time varies depending on your location and the complexity of your case. In my experience, I got an initial response within about a week, which is much faster than trying to resolve issues through normal IRS channels. Once you're assigned an advocate, they become your point of contact and handle communications with the IRS on your behalf, which simplifies the whole process considerably. They're especially helpful if you've already tried to resolve your issue through normal IRS channels without success.

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Has anyone tried using a tax resolution firm? I'm wondering if they're worth the cost or if it's better to handle everything yourself with the resources mentioned here?

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I used a tax resolution firm for a $30k debt and honestly regret it. They charged me $3,000 upfront and basically just filled out the same forms I could have done myself. They promised they could get me an Offer in Compromise but ended up just setting up a regular payment plan that I could have arranged on my own for free.

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Thanks for sharing your experience. That's exactly what I was worried about - paying thousands for something I could potentially do myself. Sounds like using the free Taxpayer Advocate Service and some of these other resources might be a better approach before resorting to paying a resolution firm.

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Can I deduct a custom putter as office art for my self-employed business?

I run a small business consulting practice out of my office where I meet with clients regularly. I've been thinking about sprucing up the place to make it more inviting. I'm considering getting a custom-made putter for a little practice green I have in my office. This would be solely for clients to use while they're waiting or when we're having more casual discussions. The putter would be specially commissioned, almost like a piece of art really. It would stay in the office 100% of the time - never coming home with me. I know that office art is generally an allowed business deduction, so I'm wondering if this custom putter would qualify since it's both functional and decorative? Has anyone had experience deducting something similar? I'm trying to understand if the IRS would consider this a legitimate business expense or if they'd view it more as entertainment which has different deduction rules. Thanks for any insight!

From my experience with business deductions, anything dual-purpose tends to draw scrutiny. My tax guy always says to ask: "Would I have bought this if I didn't have the business?" If the answer is yes, it's harder to justify as 100% business. A $3k custom putter might be questionable unless you can show clients actually use it regularly as part of your business process. Maybe document each time clients use it? Just my 2 cents.

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Is it different if you're in a golf-related business? I sell custom golf accessories and have display items in my office that are technically usable but mainly for showing clients.

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For your situation it's completely different since those items directly relate to what you're selling. That's a clear business purpose - they're essentially product samples or demonstration items. You could likely deduct those as ordinary and necessary business expenses. In the original poster's consulting business that's unrelated to golf, it's harder to show a direct business purpose for an expensive putter beyond general office decor or client entertainment. That's where the documentation becomes more important to demonstrate regular business use.

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Has anyone considered Section 179 deduction for this? Since it's office equipment that will last longer than a year, couldn't you just depreciate the putter over time instead of trying to deduct the full amount in year one? Might attract less attention that way?

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Actually, Section 179 lets you deduct the full cost in year one rather than depreciating it - that's the whole point of the provision. But you're right that it would apply here if the putter qualifies as business equipment.

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Looking for Better Tax Software Alternative to TurboTax

I've been doing my own taxes for years now, with only a couple exceptions when life got complicated and I hired an accountant. I've been stuck using TurboTax all this time, and honestly, I'm at my breaking point with their wizard interface. The thing is, I know exactly what tax forms I need. I have a single-member LLC that requires a Schedule C, plus my standard income forms. I already know what I'm doing, but TurboTax forces me to click through a million screens for something that should take 15 minutes tops. Is there a better tax software alternative out there? Ideally something that lets me just jump straight to the forms I need without the endless hand-holding. I'm fairly tax-savvy and just want something more efficient that respects my time. Any suggestions?

Have you considered TaxAct? Their interface is much more direct than TurboTax. You can go straight to forms you need with minimal clicking. I've used it for my single-member LLC for years and it's way less frustrating than TurboTax's hand-holding.

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I haven't tried TaxAct. How's the pricing compared to TurboTax? And does it let you jump directly to Schedule C without going through personal info you've already entered a million times before?

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The pricing is definitely better - usually about half what TurboTax charges for the same features. For 2023 tax year I paid $65 total for federal and state with business income, compared to around $140 with TurboTax. Yes, you can jump directly to Schedule C and other forms! They have a forms-based navigation option where you can select exactly what you want to work on. You still need to complete basic personal info once, but after that you can move freely between different sections without following their sequence. It's much more efficient if you know what you're doing.

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I'm surprised nobody's mentioned doing it by hand with PDF fillable forms from the IRS website. If you know what you're doing and it's just a single Schedule C, it might take less time than fighting with any software. That's what I do for my consulting business - takes about 30 minutes total.

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I tried the PDF forms route but got nervous about math errors. Don't the software programs check calculations and look for red flags? I'm always worried I'll miss something and get audited.

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How to download my form 1040 from 2021 tax year without paying?

So last year I used H&R Block to file my taxes, and now I need my 2021 Form 1040 for a mortgage application. When I logged into my account, they want me to pay $30 just to access MY OWN TAX RETURN! That's ridiculous! Why should I have to pay to see my own tax documents that I already paid them to prepare? Does anyone know if there's another way to get my 2021 Form 1040 without having to fork over more money to H&R Block? I already paid them like $89 to file last year, and now this extra charge feels like I'm being nickel and dimed. I tried looking on the IRS website but got lost in all the different sections. Any help would be super appreciated! I need this form pretty urgently. Thanks in advance!

Another option that nobody's mentioned is that you can create an online account on the IRS website and access your tax records that way. Go to IRS.gov and look for "View Your Account." You'll need to create an ID.me account or login.gov account if you don't already have one. The verification process is kind of a pain (you need to upload ID and do a video selfie), but once you're in, you can see your tax records for multiple years. That's how I get mine without dealing with TurboTax's fees.

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The ID.me verification is actually why I couldn't get my transcript online! They couldn't verify my phone for some reason and I got stuck in this endless loop. Has anyone found a workaround for the ID.me verification issues?

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The ID.me system can definitely be frustrating. If you're having trouble with the automated verification, try their "video chat verification" option. It lets you speak with a human representative who can manually verify your identity. It takes longer (sometimes there's a waiting room), but it usually works when the automated system fails. Another option is to use the login.gov pathway instead of ID.me if it gives you that choice. Some people have better luck with one system versus the other.

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Am I the only one who thinks it's ridiculous that we have to jump through all these hoops just to get copies of OUR OWN tax returns??? The tax prep companies charge us to prepare the returns, then charge again to access them later, and the IRS makes it incredibly difficult to get copies directly from them. The whole system seems designed to be as frustrating as possible!

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It's not just you! The tax system in the US is deliberately complicated because tax prep companies lobby to keep it that way. Many other countries have simple tax filing systems where the government pre-fills your forms and you just verify them. But companies like H&R Block and TurboTax literally spend millions lobbying to prevent simplification because it would hurt their business model.

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I had no idea about the lobbying thing, but it makes total sense. I lived in Sweden for a few years and filing taxes there took like 5 minutes - they sent me a pre-filled form and I just confirmed it was correct by text message. Coming back to the US tax system was a huge shock. I'm definitely going to be more careful about saving copies of everything from now on. Lesson learned the hard way!

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Trusted a bad tax preparer and now facing IRS consequences - can I negotiate a smaller payment?

So I made the mistake of using a tax preparer that my buddy had been using for years. He seemed confident and the price was right, but when I finally went to a proper CPA for some financial planning, they were horrified by what they found. Apparently this guy completely botched my returns for THREE years straight! The CPA is saying I'll need to file amended returns for all three years and I'm looking at owing somewhere around $30,000-$40,000 in back taxes, penalties and interest. To make matters worse, there's a really high chance I'll get audited because of how badly these returns were prepared. I can technically afford to pay this (though it'll definitely hurt), but I'm wondering if there's any room to negotiate with the IRS? If I offer to pay the entire amount upfront instead of doing a payment plan, would they consider reducing the total amount? Has anyone had success getting the IRS to reduce penalties or interest in cases like this where I was relying on someone else who screwed up?

Don't overlook the fact that you may be able to sue the tax preparer for damages! If they represented themselves as qualified and competent, and clearly weren't, you might be able to recover some of the penalties and interest through a lawsuit. I had to do this years ago and recovered about 60% of what I had to pay the IRS. Keep all communications with them, gather any advertising they did claiming expertise, and consult with an attorney. Many will take these cases on contingency if the amount is significant enough.

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How much did that cost in legal fees though? Was it worth the hassle compared to just paying and moving on?

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The attorney took 35% of what we recovered, but I didn't have to pay anything upfront. It was definitely worth it since I recovered about $8,500 after the attorney's cut, and I only had to participate in a couple of meetings and a deposition. The case never went to trial because the preparer's insurance company decided to settle once they saw the evidence. The whole process took about 6 months. Not a huge hassle considering the money recovered, and it felt good holding the preparer accountable.

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One thing no one has mentioned yet - report this tax preparer to the IRS using Form 14157 (Complaint: Tax Return Preparer). This won't help your immediate situation but could prevent others from being hurt by this person. If they prepared a lot of bad returns, the IRS might take a more sympathetic view of all the affected taxpayers.

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Yes! Absolutely do this. My neighbor reported a bad preparer and it actually helped her case because the IRS was already investigating them for multiple issues. They were more willing to work with her on penalties.

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Thanks for the suggestion about Form 14157! I hadn't even thought about reporting the preparer, but that makes total sense. I'll definitely do that. My CPA actually mentioned that they've seen other clients who used the same person with similar issues, so it seems like this person has a pattern of preparing inaccurate returns.

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