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Can I take a loan from my business tax-free like getting a loan from a stock broker?

I've been hearing that people with substantial stock portfolios can essentially avoid taxes by not taking an actual income and not realizing capital gains. Instead, they just take loans against their securities when they need cash for living expenses. There's interest and limits involved but apparently no taxes due. I'm wondering if I can do something similar with my small business? Could I potentially just withdraw $1,350 from my company account and classify it as a personal loan rather than income? Would this allow me to avoid the immediate tax hit? Is it possible to structure it as a super-favorable loan to myself - like with 0% interest and a repayment date that's years away? This seems too easy though. If it worked this way, wouldn't everyone just loan themselves money from their businesses and never pay taxes? Eventually just close down the business? What's the real deal here? Is this something that actually happens? And if it's allowed with securities/brokerages, why wouldn't it be allowed with a business you own? Or is the whole securities loan approach not legitimate either?

I actually tried taking loans from my S-Corp last year and got hammered in an audit. Here's what I learned the hard way: If you don't document everything properly with actual loan agreements, repayment schedules, and market-rate interest, the IRS WILL reclassify it as a distribution or compensation. In my case, they treated it as a distribution which meant I had to pay taxes on it anyway, PLUS a penalty for not reporting it correctly. For S-Corps specifically, you also need to be careful about maintaining reasonable compensation before taking any distributions or loans. My mistake was trying to take a "loan" while not paying myself a market salary. Don't mess around with this - do it right or don't do it at all.

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What about for a single-member LLC? Are the rules any different since it's a disregarded entity for tax purposes? Could I take loans from my business more easily?

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For a single-member LLC that's a disregarded entity, the situation is actually quite different. Since a disregarded entity is treated as the same taxpayer as you for federal tax purposes, technically you can't loan money to yourself - it would be like taking money from one pocket and putting it in another. The business funds are already considered your funds from a tax perspective, so there's no tax advantage to structuring withdrawals as loans. You're already being taxed on the business profits regardless of whether you withdraw the money or not (via Schedule C on your personal return). That said, for proper bookkeeping and to maintain the liability protection of your LLC, you should still document any personal withdrawals properly. If you're mixing business and personal funds without documentation, you risk piercing the corporate veil in legal situations.

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Wait I'm confused. So what about these "buy, borrow, die" strategies that billionaires use? Is that completely different from taking money from your business?

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Completely different. The billionaire strategy works because they're borrowing from a third party (bank or broker) using assets as collateral. They're not taking money directly from their companies without taxation. When Musk or Bezos get liquidity, they either: 1) Take loans from banks using their stock as collateral (legitimate third-party loans), 2) Sell shares and pay capital gains tax, or 3) Receive salaries/compensation that are taxed as income. The "loan" from your own business isn't actually a loan in the IRS's eyes unless it meets very specific criteria that most small business owners don't satisfy. Otherwise it's just income/distribution with extra steps.

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Can I still Amend my 2020 Tax return for forgotten business expenses?

Hey tax people of Reddit! I'm kicking myself right now because I just realized I completely forgot to include about $7,800 worth of legitimate business expenses on my 2020 tax return. I run a small photography business (just me, no employees) and was organizing some old receipts when I found a folder of equipment purchases and travel expenses that somehow never made it onto my Schedule C. I'm guessing this would have lowered my taxable income by a decent amount, which is super frustrating since I remember feeling the tax hit that year. Is it too late to amend my 2020 return at this point? I know I'd have to mail in a paper form rather than e-file, but I'm wondering if there's a cutoff date I've already missed. Or if it's even worth the hassle if the IRS is still backed up from the pandemic years. Any advice would be really appreciated! Has anyone successfully amended a return from that far back?

Just a reminder that if you're going to amend your 2020 return, make sure the business expenses you're adding are legitimately deductible. The IRS has been increasing scrutiny on Schedule C deductions lately, especially for tax years 2019-2021 because of all the COVID relief programs. Things like home office deductions, vehicle expenses, and meals/entertainment are particular audit triggers if they seem disproportionate to your business income. Not saying don't claim what you're entitled to - just make sure you have good documentation to back it up!

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That's a good point! All of these expenses are legitimate photography equipment (new lenses, lighting, a laptop used only for editing) and documented travel to shooting locations. My business income that year was around $36,000 so the $7,800 in additional expenses isn't out of proportion. Do you think that's going to raise any red flags?

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Those expenses sound reasonable given your business type and income level. Photography equipment is clearly a necessary business expense, and as long as your travel was primarily for business purposes and you have documentation (like client contracts showing shoots on those dates), you should be fine. The $7,800 compared to $36,000 in income is a perfectly reasonable ratio for a photography business, which typically has higher equipment costs. Just make sure to categorize everything correctly on your Schedule C - put the equipment under "Equipment" not "Supplies" if it's over $2,500 per item and will last more than a year (might need to be depreciated rather than fully expensed, depending on whether you took Section 179 or bonus depreciation).

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Has anyone here experienced an adjustment to their refund amount when amending? I filed an amended return for 2020 because I forgot some 1099 income (opposite problem from OP) and the IRS ended up changing the amount I calculated. Just wondering if this is common.

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Yes! This happened to me. I amended to add some business expenses like OP is planning to do, calculated I was due about $1,300 back, but the IRS sent me $1,467. The difference was interest they added because of how long it took them to process the amendment.

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Missed Including a W2 from 2021 on My Tax Return - What's the Best Way to Fix This?

Title: Missed Including a W2 from 2021 on My Tax Return - What's the Best Way to Fix This? 1 I was going through my tax documents from previous years and just discovered I completely forgot to include a W2 from my 2021 tax return. It was for a part-time gig I was doing on weekends that year, and the income was around $13,500. I'm freaking out a little because I've been reading different things online about how to handle this. Some places say I need to file an amended return ASAP, others say there's a simpler process. I definitely want to do this correctly to avoid any unnecessary penalties or issues with the IRS. Would really appreciate some guidance on the best approach here! Thanks in advance for any help!

5 Quick question - I'm in a similar situation but my missing W2 is from 2020, not 2021. Am I completely out of luck for fixing this? I think I read somewhere there's a 3-year limit on amendments?

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8 You're right about the 3-year limit, but you're still within the window for 2020! The deadline for filing amendments to claim a refund is 3 years from the original due date of the return. For 2020 tax returns, the original filing deadline was May 17, 2021 (it was extended that year due to COVID). That means you have until May 17, 2024 to file an amended return and claim any additional refund. So you should act quickly, but you definitely still have time to file that amendment.

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5 Thank you so much for clarifying this! I was worried I'd missed my window completely. I'll get on this amendment right away before the May deadline hits. Really appreciate the help!

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23 Does anyone know if the IRS will contact you if they notice a missing W2? I'm asking because I just got a letter saying I underreported income, but I thought I included everything on my 2022 return.

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10 Yes, the IRS definitely will send you a notice if they identify underreported income. They run an automated matching program where they compare the income reported on your tax return against what was reported to them by employers, banks, etc. The letter you received is probably a CP2000 Notice, which is not an audit but a proposed adjustment to your tax return based on this information matching.

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How to verify W-2 accuracy by adding up paystubs - Need help!

I'm in a bit of a panic after entering my data into TurboTax for this year's taxes. We somehow owe $4,100 to the feds and I'm completely blindsided! Last year we got a decent refund back. Here's what changed this year: we welcomed our first baby in August (yay for sleepless nights!), purchased a new home with a decent mortgage interest deduction, and donated our old Toyota to a local charity (valued around $2,300). Our taxable income only increased by about $4,400 compared to last year, not enough to bump us into a different tax bracket. What's really making me suspicious is my W-2 might not be correct. During my paternity leave, HR mistakenly paid me a $6,500 bonus that I had to pay back to the company. Looking at my W-2, I see a miscellaneous pre-tax deduction of approximately $3,400 (the amount I repaid after taxes). I've been politely bugging our payroll department, and they keep insisting everything is accurate, but I want to verify for myself. How exactly should I add up the numbers on my paystubs to check if my W-2 is correct? Would really appreciate any advice! Not sure if I should shell out money for a tax professional or if they'll just tell me the same thing TurboTax is saying. Our tax situation really isn't that complex, which makes this even more frustrating.

Have you double-checked your withholding status? When you had a baby, did you update your W-4 with your employer? A lot of people don't realize that having a child doesn't automatically change your withholding - you need to submit a new W-4 form to your employer. Also, with the bonus repayment situation, there's a specific way this should be handled for tax purposes. If the bonus was paid in the current tax year and repaid in the same year, the W-2 should simply not include that amount. If it was paid in a previous year and repaid this year, there are special rules under Section 1341 of the tax code.

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You know what, I didn't update my W-4 after having the baby! I just assumed the child tax credit would be applied when filing, didn't realize I needed to adjust my withholding throughout the year. The bonus was both paid and repaid in the same tax year (2024), so it sounds like it should have been completely excluded from my W-2 rather than shown as a deduction?

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Exactly right! The child tax credit is applied when filing, but updating your W-4 would have reduced your withholding throughout the year, giving you more in each paycheck instead of waiting for a refund. Many people prefer this approach rather than giving the government an interest-free loan. For the bonus that was paid and repaid in the same tax year, yes - it should have been completely excluded from your W-2 as if it never happened. It shouldn't appear as income and then be offset by a deduction. This could definitely be causing part of your tax issue. I'd suggest asking your payroll department specifically about this - whether they excluded the bonus amount completely from your taxable wages or if they included it in income and then added a deduction. The former is correct; the latter could be causing your tax problem.

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Don't forget to look at state taxes too! I had a similar issue last year where my federal W-2 was correct but my state withholding was way off. It's worth adding up your state withholding from each paystub separately.

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This is great advice. Last year I had correct federal withholding but the state withholding column on my W-2 was completely wrong. Turns out my employer had been withholding for the wrong state for three months after I moved! Double-check everything, especially if you've had any life changes.

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Do I owe imputed interest tax on a no-interest loan from my father in 2023? Never heard of this before!

So I have this weird situation with my dad who loaned me about $9,500 last year (2023). I've paid most of it back and still owed about $5,400 at the end of the year. Now he's telling me I owe him money for something called "imputed interest tax" because he didn't charge me any interest on the loan. I'm completely confused because I've never heard of this in my life! When I looked it up online, I couldn't find anything that suggests a loan this size would trigger any tax issues. The amount he's saying I owe is somewhere between $70-$1,800 (he wasn't super clear on the exact amount, but I think he's saying around $70). I'm starting to wonder if my dad is making this up or misunderstanding something. He's pretty well-off financially - has investment income, rental properties, the whole deal. I've borrowed money from friends before and loaned money to others, and nobody ever mentioned this "imputed interest" thing. Is this a real tax thing? Does it only apply to wealthy people with investment income? Or is my dad confused/trying to get extra money from me? Any help understanding this would be great!

Your dad is probably confused about who owes what. With below-market loans, it's the LENDER (your dad) who would potentially have tax implications, not you as the borrower. And as others have mentioned, loans under $10K are generally exempt anyway. What might be happening is your dad reported this loan on his taxes (which he didn't need to do for this amount), and now thinks you need to pay the tax. Or he might be trying to retroactively charge you interest by calling it a "tax." Either way, you should ask him to show you exactly what tax form or notice he's referring to. If he can't produce anything official from the IRS, that's a red flag.

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Could it be that the dad is thinking about the gift tax? Like maybe he's thinking that since he didn't charge interest, it counts as a gift and he has to pay gift tax on it?

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You're on the right track. In theory, the forgone interest on an interest-free loan can be considered a gift from the lender to the borrower. But there are two important points here: First, the annual gift tax exclusion is $17,000 per person (in 2023), so the imputed interest on a $9,500 loan would be well below that threshold. Second, even if it were above the threshold, it would just require reporting on a gift tax return - actual gift tax typically wouldn't be owed until someone gives away millions over their lifetime. So either way, there shouldn't be any actual tax payment required. The dad might be confused about these concepts or might be trying to retroactively charge interest and calling it a "tax" to make it seem official.

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Just to add a different perspective - could this be a misunderstanding about state taxes? Some states have different rules about personal loans. I got hit with a surprise tax in New Jersey when I loaned money to my cousin, even though it was below federal thresholds. Might be worth asking your dad specifically which tax form or rule he's referring to. If he's actually received tax documentation about this, ask to see it.

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That's interesting! Which states have different rules? I'm in California and planning to loan money to my sister for her down payment, so now I'm worried!

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