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Just a heads up for anyone using tax software for the Child and Dependent Care Credit - make sure you're entering your expenses correctly. I had a similar issue and realized I was accidentally entering some expenses as "education expenses" rather than "childcare expenses" which caused the software to calculate things differently. Also, check if your state offers a separate childcare credit. In Massachusetts, we have an additional deduction that works differently from the federal credit, and my tax software wasn't prompting me for it until I specifically searched for it.
Do you know if before/after school programs count as childcare expenses? My kids are in elementary school but I pay for after-school care until I get off work. My tax software is giving me contradictory information about whether this qualifies.
Yes, before/after school programs definitely count as qualifying childcare expenses as long as they allow you to work or look for work. The IRS is pretty clear on this - any care provided for children under 13 that enables you to work or actively search for work qualifies. The key is that the primary purpose of the program must be childcare, not education. Most standard before/after school programs fall into this category. Summer day camps can also qualify, but overnight camps don't. Make sure you get the tax ID or SSN of the provider, as you'll need to include that on Form 2441.
I found a workaround for the TurboTax issue! If you go to "Review" mode, then select "View/Print Return" (sometimes you have to dig around for this option), you can actually see the completed Form 2441 before paying. In my case, I noticed TurboTax was splitting my childcare expenses across two different entries because I had entered two separate payment periods (spring and fall semesters). This was causing some weird rounding in the calculation. When I combined them into one entry, the credit calculated correctly at exactly $600.
Thank you! This worked for me too. When I went to the form view, I saw TurboTax had somehow entered part of my childcare expenses in the wrong field. It was counting some of my expenses as "dependent care benefits" from an employer (which I don't have). Once I zeroed out that field and put everything under the actual expenses, it calculated correctly to $600. Thanks everyone for the help! Saved me from either overpaying for the "expert" review or submitting an incorrect return.
Glad it worked for you! I've found that looking at the actual forms is always the best way to catch these errors. TurboTax and similar software try to make things "easy" by hiding the forms behind their interview questions, but sometimes that just creates confusion. For anyone else with this issue, another thing to check is that your care provider information is entered correctly. If the provider's tax ID is missing or formatted incorrectly, some tax software will reduce the credit amount without clearly explaining why.
Another strategy to consider is passing the property to your heirs instead of selling it. When you die, the property gets a "step-up" in basis to the fair market value at your date of death, which effectively wipes out all the depreciation recapture tax! Obviously this only works if you don't need the money from selling during your lifetime, but it's a huge tax advantage that can save your heirs a fortune in taxes if they decide to sell.
Does this step-up in basis apply even if the property is held in an LLC? My tax guy told me it might not work the same way.
The step-up in basis generally applies regardless of whether the property is in an LLC or not, as long as it's what's called a "disregarded entity" or a pass-through LLC for tax purposes. If you have a single-member LLC or a multi-member LLC that files as a partnership, the step-up should still apply. Where your tax guy might be cautious is if you have an LLC that's elected to be taxed as a corporation. In that case, the rules get more complicated and the step-up might not apply in the same way. The ownership is of the corporate shares, not directly of the real estate.
I'm actually dealing with this exact issue right now! I've been taking depreciation on my rental for 8 years (about $9,800/year in deductions) and now I'm selling. My accountant just showed me that I'll owe about $22,000 in depreciation recapture taxes! I was in the 22% bracket all those years, so I saved about $17,200 in taxes while owning (22% of $78,400 total depreciation). But now I'm paying $22,000 back (25% of $78,400). So I'm actually LOSING $4,800 just from the tax rate difference! My accountant says the only reason it still worked out okay for me is that I invested those tax savings each year and they grew to more than make up the difference. But if I had just spent that money, I'd definitely be worse off!
Wait but didn't you also make money on the property appreciation itself? Seems like you're only looking at one piece of the puzzle.
One area you might want to focus on during your secondment is owner-manager taxation. This is a huge part of domestic tax practice in Canada that involves integration of corporate and personal tax planning. Ask to sit in on meetings with business owners where the tax team discusses compensation strategy (salary vs dividends), timing of distributions, purification strategies for QSBC status, and estate freeze transactions. These areas combine technical knowledge with practical business advice. Also, pay attention to how tax professionals communicate complex concepts to clients who don't have accounting backgrounds. The ability to translate technical jargon into actionable business advice is what separates great tax practitioners from average ones.
That's a great point about owner-manager taxation! I've had limited exposure to this through some of the trust work, but haven't seen the full picture of how it integrates with corporate planning. Is there a particular industry you think would give the best exposure to these concepts during a short secondment?
Professional services firms (doctors, lawyers, dentists) typically offer the richest learning experience for owner-manager taxation because they have more flexibility in their structures than capital-intensive businesses. They often have complex structures with holding companies, family trusts, and professional corporations all working together. Real estate is another good sector if you want to see how capital gains planning works in practice. The strategies used for property developers versus long-term holders are quite different, and you'll learn a lot about timing strategies for triggering gains or losses.
Quick tip: during your secondment, make sure you understand the difference between tax PREPARATION and tax PLANNING. Many firms keep these functions somewhat separate. Tax preparation is more compliance-focused and involves working with historical data to prepare returns accurately. It's detail-oriented but can be repetitive. Tax planning is forward-looking and strategic, helping clients structure their affairs to minimize tax within legal boundaries. This involves more client interaction and creativity. Based on your comment about enjoying unique problems and solutions, you might gravitate more toward the planning side. But both skills are essential for a well-rounded tax professional.
Totally agree with this distinction! I'd also add that if you're someone who likes definitive answers, tax preparation might be more satisfying. Planning work involves a lot more gray areas where you're dealing with probabilities rather than certainties.
I ran into this same issue and figured out a workaround in Quickbooks. You can actually set up the asset with a "Do Not Depreciate" setting in the asset account. Here's what I did: 1. Set up the vehicle as a fixed asset 2. When prompted about depreciation, select "Do Not Depreciate" 3. Add a note in the description field "For Bonus Depreciation in TurboTax" 4. Complete the asset setup This way, your books show the correct asset value, but Quickbooks won't create any depreciation entries that might conflict with TurboTax. When you import, TurboTax sees a clean asset ready for the bonus depreciation treatment.
But doesn't this mess up your book value in Quickbooks for future years? If you don't depreciate it at all in Quickbooks, won't your financial statements show an asset that should be fully depreciated?
That's a really good point about the book value. In January of the following year (2023), after you've filed your taxes, you should go back to Quickbooks and add a manual depreciation entry that matches what you took on your tax return. This way, your financial statements will reflect the proper book value going forward. Think of it as keeping two separate depreciation tracks - tax depreciation (handled in TurboTax) and book depreciation (which you'll update in Quickbooks after filing). The key is to not have any depreciation in Quickbooks during the import process to avoid duplication.
Don't forget that the rules for bonus depreciation are changing! For assets placed in service in 2022, you can still take 100% bonus depreciation, but for 2023 it drops to 80%, and continues to phase down by 20% each year after. If you have other asset purchases planned, you might want to accelerate them to maximize the depreciation benefit.
Is there any chance Congress extends the 100% bonus depreciation? I've heard rumors they might keep it at 100% to help small businesses, but haven't seen anything official.
There's always a possibility that Congress could extend the 100% bonus depreciation, but I wouldn't count on it. While there have been some discussions about extending certain business tax benefits, nothing concrete has been proposed regarding bonus depreciation specifically. The phased reduction (100% to 80% to 60%, etc.) was built into the original Tax Cuts and Jobs Act legislation with the specific intent of gradually reducing the benefit. For planning purposes, it's safer to assume the reduction will continue as scheduled unless you hear official news about an extension. If you have planned asset purchases and can move them up to qualify for the higher percentage, that's the more conservative approach.
Lucas Turner
One more thing about extensions that no one mentioned - they're super helpful if you contribute to an IRA! You can make IRA contributions for the previous tax year until April 15th, but if you file an extension, you still only have until April 15th for the IRA contribution. The extension only applies to the filing, not to things like IRA contribution deadlines. I messed this up last year thinking I had until October to make my IRA contribution for the previous year. Just don't want anyone else to make my mistake!
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Aaliyah Reed
ā¢Wait, I'm confused. Are you saying the extension doesn't extend the IRA contribution deadline? Or that it does? Sorry, your wording was a bit unclear to me.
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Lucas Turner
ā¢Sorry for the confusion! The extension does NOT extend the IRA contribution deadline. Even if you file an extension giving you until October to file your tax return, you still must make any IRA contributions for the previous tax year by April 15th (the original filing deadline). The filing extension only gives you more time to complete and submit your tax forms - it doesn't extend other tax deadlines like IRA contributions, estimated tax payments, etc. That's the mistake I made thinking I had until October for my IRA contribution.
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Kai Rivera
Has anyone used TurboTax to file an extension? Is it free or do they charge for that too? Their pricing confuses me.
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Anna Stewart
ā¢You can file a federal extension for free using Form 4868 directly on the IRS website. Don't pay TurboTax for something that's free! State extensions might be different depending on where you live though.
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