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CosmicCadet

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I work at a dealership and this question comes up A LOT with customers buying EVs. The MAGI limitation has been confusing everyone. From what our tax consultant told us, the instruction will indeed update each year to reference the current and prior year. For 2023 returns, you'll be able to use 2023 or 2022 MAGI, whichever is lower. The 2022/2021 reference in the current instructions is just for the 2022 tax year filing. It's standard practice for the IRS to update these year references on their forms and instructions. The bigger issue people should worry about is whether their vehicle meets all the other new requirements for the credit.

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What about leasing? I heard there's some loophole where if you lease an EV instead of buying, the MAGI limits don't apply to the customer because the credit goes to the leasing company? Is that true?

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CosmicCadet

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Yes, that's correct about leasing. When you lease an EV, the leasing company (usually the manufacturer's financing arm) is technically the owner of the vehicle, so they receive the tax credit directly. They often pass this benefit on to the customer in the form of reduced lease payments or a capital cost reduction. In these cases, the MAGI limits don't apply to you as the lessee because you're not claiming the credit directly. This has indeed become a popular workaround for higher-income customers who wouldn't qualify for the credit if they purchased. Just make sure the leasing company is actually passing along the credit value to you in the lease terms.

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Can someone explain in plain english what this MAGI stuff means for Form 8936? I bought a Tesla Model 3 in January and I'm not sure if I'll get any tax credit when I file next year. My income is around $145,000 and I'm single.

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The MAGI (Modified Adjusted Gross Income) limit for single filers to get the full EV credit is $150,000. At $145k you should be eligible for the full credit IF your car meets all the other requirements (battery components, minerals, etc.). The "prior year" option means when you file your 2023 return in 2024, you can use either your 2023 MAGI or your 2022 MAGI, whichever is lower. So if your income was lower last year, you could use that instead.

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Yuki Tanaka

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One important thing nobody's mentioned yet: if you received unemployment benefits, make sure you check if any taxes were withheld. Many people don't realize that unemployment is taxable income, and if you didn't have taxes withheld, you might owe money when you file. Box 4 on your 1099-G will show if any federal tax was withheld. Also, depending on your state, you might get a break on some unemployment income. Some states don't tax unemployment benefits at all, and others follow federal rules. Worth checking your specific state's policies.

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StarSeeker

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Thanks for bringing this up! I just checked my 1099-G and see they only withheld about 10% for federal taxes. Is that going to be enough or should I be preparing to pay more when I file?

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Yuki Tanaka

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The 10% withholding might be enough, but it depends on your total income for the year and tax bracket. Unemployment benefits are taxed at your normal income tax rate, not a flat 10%. If unemployment was your only income for the year, 10% might cover it for federal taxes. But if you had other income sources or worked part of the year, you might owe additional taxes. A good tax program will calculate this for you when you enter all your information. Just be prepared for the possibility of owing some money, and don't be caught off guard. This is one advantage of filing sooner rather than later – if you do owe, you'll have more time to plan for payment before the filing deadline.

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Carmen Diaz

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Has anyone used Credit Karma Tax for filing with unemployment and claiming the missed stimulus? Their ads say it's completely free but I'm wondering if there are hidden costs for claiming the Recovery Rebate Credit or reporting 1099-G.

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I used Credit Karma Tax last year with a 1099-G and claiming a missed stimulus. It was actually completely free, no hidden fees even with the Recovery Rebate Credit. The interface was pretty easy to use, though not as polished as TurboTax. Just make sure you have all your documents ready before you start!

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What level of detail is needed when explaining 941-X corrections for successful ERC claims?

I've completed 941-X forms to claim the Employee Retention Credit for my business for the last three quarters of 2020 and first three quarters of 2021. We qualify based on our revenue decline and have calculated all the numbers, but I'm stuck on the final question that asks for "a detailed explanation of how you determined your corrections." I'm unsure how much detail the IRS expects here. Do I need to show all the calculations per employee, subtract PPP wages, and provide the final figures? Or is a more general explanation sufficient? Here's what I've drafted so far: >We are filing this Form 941-X in order to claim the Employee Retention Credit (ERC). All of the corrections described below were discovered and calculated on 02/15/2023. Corrections are needed because we were not aware of ERC when our original Form 941 was filed. We are eligible for ERC due to a 31.7% decline in gross receipts in Q2 2020 compared to Q2 2019. > >Line 18a shows our nonrefundable portion of ERC, calculated via Line 1n of Worksheet 2 of Instructions for Form 941-X (Rev. 7-2021). This number is calculated by subtracting our employer share of social security tax from our total social security wages, for a total of $11,384.73. > >Line 26a shows our refundable portion of ERC, calculated via Line 2k of Worksheet 2 of Instructions for Form 941-X (Rev. 7-2021). This number is calculated by adding qualified Q2 wages to qualified 03/13/2020 to 03/31/2020 wages, multiplying that sum by 0.5 to determine our total ERC, and then subtracting our nonrefundable portion of ERC, for a total of $42,629.54. > >Line 30 shows our qualified wages for ERC. This was calculated by subtracting Q2 wages paid via Payroll Protection Program (PPP) funds from our total Q2 wages. $108,275.65 (Q2 wages) minus $32,482.69 (Q2 wages paid via PPP funds) equals $75,792.96. > >Line 33a shows our qualified wages paid 3/13/20 - 3/13/21 for ERC. These wages total $49,675.93. Is this explanation detailed enough, or should I include more specifics about how I determined eligible wages?

Make sure you keep ALL your supporting documentation accessible for at least 4-5 years. My company claimed ERC in early 2022, got our refund about 3 months later, and then just received an audit notice last month asking for additional documentation proving our eligibility. We had everything organized (quarterly P&Ls showing revenue decline, employee counts by quarter, detailed wage calculations showing PPP vs non-PPP payroll, etc.), but I'm seeing forum posts from people who didn't keep good records and are really struggling with audits. The IRS is definitely increasing scrutiny on these claims.

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Nia Thompson

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That's concerning. What specific documentation did they request in the audit? Was it focused more on proving eligibility (the revenue decline) or on the wage calculations?

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They wanted both types of documentation. For the eligibility part, they requested quarterly profit and loss statements for both 2019 and 2020 to verify our claimed revenue decline. They also asked for bank statements showing deposits that would substantiate our gross receipts. For the wage calculations, it was much more detailed. They requested payroll registers for all quarters claimed, documentation showing which employees' wages were claimed, evidence of how PPP funds were allocated to specific payroll periods, and health insurance allocation methodology. They even asked for copies of our PPP loan applications and forgiveness documentation to cross-reference. The most time-consuming part was providing a spreadsheet reconciling the qualified wages on our 941-X with our actual payroll records. I recommend creating and saving this type of reconciliation when you do your initial filing - recreating it a year later was a nightmare.

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Liam Mendez

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Anyone know the current processing timeframe for 941-X refunds? I submitted mine for Q2 and Q3 2020 about 12 weeks ago and haven't heard anything.

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I submitted in January 2023 and just got my refund last month, so about 7 months. But I've heard some people waiting over a year now. The IRS is overwhelmed with these claims and there's been increased scrutiny because of all the fraudulent claims submitted by sketchy ERC mills.

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For what its worth, I used a CPA for the first time last year after starting my consulting business and it was tooootally worth the $350. She found so many deductions I would've missed (home office, partial internet/phone, mileage) that saved me like $2k in taxes. Plus she showed me how to track expenses better for this year. Just make sure you find someone who specializes in small business if thats your situation!

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How did you find your CPA? Did you just google or get a referral? I'm worried about ending up with someone who doesn't know what they're doing.

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I got a referral from another small business owner friend - definitely the way to go if possible! Ask around to people in similar situations as yours. If that's not an option, check reviews but specifically look at responses from people with tax situations similar to yours. A good interview question is asking potential CPAs about their experience with your specific situation (side business, interstate move, etc). If they start immediately mentioning specific deductions or considerations for your situation without prompting, that's usually a good sign they know their stuff!

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Miguel Diaz

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Honesty, i think it depends on how much your time is worth. My taxes are complicated (investments, rental property, small business) and I could probably figure it out myself with enough research but it would take me DAYS. I pay my CPA $400 and he handles everything. peace of mind + time saved = worth every penny to me.

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Mei Wong

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That's a really good point about the time aspect. I spent like 6 hours just trying to figure out how to categorize my side business expenses last year with the software, and that was before all these new complications. Maybe paying someone is worth it just for the stress reduction alone!

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Carmen Vega

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you're planning to grow significantly, the C Corp structure might have long-term advantages. I switched from S-Corp to C-Corp last year because: 1) We wanted to reinvest most profits into scaling the business 2) The flat 21% corporate rate was lower than my personal tax bracket 3) We're planning to seek outside investors eventually 4) We could provide better benefits (health insurance, etc.) The key is whether you plan to keep most money in the business. If you're regularly pulling out profits, you'll face that double taxation issue with C-Corps (corporate tax + dividend tax). Also worth noting: the timing of your entity change might trigger a "short year" for tax purposes, requiring multiple tax returns for the same calendar year. Can get complicated!

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Sean Kelly

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This is really helpful info. We're definitely planning significant growth - the reason we're putting half back into the business is for expansion. How complicated was the switch from S-Corp to C-Corp? Were there any unexpected consequences?

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Carmen Vega

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The switch itself wasn't too complicated - just filing Form 8832 to elect C-Corp tax treatment. The more complex part was adjusting our accounting systems and planning for the different tax treatment. The unexpected consequences were mostly around compensation strategy. As an S-Corp owner, I was focused on taking enough salary to appear "reasonable" to the IRS but not overpaying on payroll taxes. With a C-Corp, the incentives flip - higher salaries (which are deductible to the corporation) can sometimes be more tax-efficient than dividends. Another surprise was the estimated tax payment schedule for corporations is different from individuals. We had to adjust our cash flow planning to account for that.

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Quick tip: Don't forget about QBI (Qualified Business Income) deduction! If you stay as a partnership or go S-Corp, you might qualify for up to 20% deduction on your pass-through income. This is HUGE and can make pass-through entities more attractive than C-Corps in many cases. C-Corps don't get this deduction. At $120k in profits (split between two people), you'd likely qualify for the full QBI deduction without running into the income limitations or service business restrictions.

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Andre Moreau

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Is the QBI deduction permanent though? I thought it was one of those temporary tax law changes that expires soon?

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