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One thing to remember about First Time Abatement for estimated tax penalties - it truly is a "first time" thing. The IRS typically only grants FTA once every 3-4 years per tax type. If you get it now, don't count on getting it again anytime soon! I'd recommend also setting up proper estimated tax payments going forward. The IRS Direct Pay system lets you schedule quarterly payments in advance, and you can use Form 1040-ES to calculate approximately how much you should pay each quarter based on your expected income.
Thanks for that tip! Do you know if using the FTA for an estimated tax penalty would prevent me from using it for other types of penalties in the future? Like if I somehow ended up with a late filing penalty next year?
Good question. The FTA policy is actually applied separately to different types of penalties. So using your FTA for an estimated tax penalty wouldn't prevent you from qualifying for an FTA on a late filing or late payment penalty in the future. The IRS treats each penalty type as its own category for FTA purposes. But you should still aim to avoid penalties altogether since FTAs aren't guaranteed and depend on your compliance history.
Has anyone tried just calling the IRS Practitioner Priority Line instead of filing Form 843? I'm a tax preparer and sometimes we can get estimated tax penalties removed over the phone if it's a first-time situation and the amount is under $1,000.
11 I think everyone's missing a key point here - the OP might be able to recharacterize that Roth contribution as a Traditional IRA contribution instead of just withdrawing it. This could potentially be better depending on their situation. When you recharacterize, you basically tell the IRS "oops, I meant to put this in a Traditional IRA instead of a Roth." You'll have to pay tax on any earnings when you eventually withdraw, but you avoid the 6% penalty going forward and don't lose the tax-advantaged space. Of course, this only works if you were eligible to contribute to a Traditional IRA in the year of the original contribution. Talk to your IRA provider about the recharacterization process.
22 Is there a time limit for recharacterization though? I thought you had to do that by the tax filing deadline for the year of the contribution.
11 You're absolutely right about the time limit, and that's an important clarification. Recharacterization generally must be done by the tax filing deadline (including extensions) for the year of the contribution. Since the OP mentioned this was from "several years ago," recharacterization is unfortunately no longer an option. For anyone else reading this who recently made an excess contribution, recharacterization is a great option, but it has to be done quickly. For the OP, removal of the excess contribution (plus earnings) is likely the only remaining option to stop the ongoing 6% penalty.
6 I had the exact same problem last year! My income ended up being higher than expected and I had already maxed out my Roth IRA. What I did was call my brokerage (Fidelity in my case) and specifically ask for a "return of excess contribution." They had me fill out a simple form specifying which contribution was in excess and they calculated the earnings on that contribution. They withdrew both amounts, sent me a 1099-R showing the distribution, and I reported it all on my taxes. The earnings portion was taxable for the year I received the distribution, and I had to pay a 10% early withdrawal penalty on those earnings, but it was WAY better than continuing to pay 6% on the whole contribution amount every year. The hardest part was just making the phone call! After that, the brokerage handled everything. Problem solved.
1 Thanks for sharing your experience! Did you need to provide any specific documentation to your brokerage to prove the contribution was excess? Or did they just take your word for it and process the request?
6 They didn't require any documentation at all. I just had to tell them which contribution I wanted treated as excess (in my case it was the whole annual contribution). They have all the records of your contributions already in their system. They did warn me that the calculation of earnings might result in different numbers than I expected, especially if the market had gone up or down significantly since the contribution. In my case, the earnings portion was actually negative because the market had dropped after my contribution, which was actually better for tax purposes since I didn't have to pay tax on earnings that didn't exist.
Everyone's focusing on the W2 correction, but I want to point out something important about HSA contribution limits. For 2025, the limit is $4,150 for individual coverage and $8,300 for family coverage (plus $1,000 catch-up if you're 55+). Make sure you're not exceeding these limits when you add up BOTH your contributions AND your employer's. The IRS treats excess contributions pretty harshly - there's a 6% excise tax on amounts over the limit for each year they remain in your account. So while fixing the W2 reporting is important, also double check that you're not over-contributing when you combine both sources!
Thanks for pointing that out! I've been careful to stay under the limits each year. I contribute just under half the max and my employer matches it, so together we don't exceed the annual limit. My main concern was just the reporting discrepancy and potential audit issues. I think I'm going to contact my former employer and request corrected W2s for the last couple years, but probably won't bother amending my tax returns since it sounds like my tax liability wasn't affected.
You're doing it exactly right then! Just to give you extra peace of mind - the IRS is mostly concerned about people exceeding contribution limits or claiming deductions they shouldn't. Since your situation doesn't involve either of those issues, it's very low risk. When you contact your former employer, be specific about the Box 12W coding requirements. Some payroll departments genuinely don't understand that both employer and employee contributions need to be included. If they give you any pushback, reference IRS Publication 969 which clearly states the reporting requirements.
Quick tip from someone who dealt with this exact issue: If your employer refuses to issue corrected W-2s, you can actually file Form 8889 (Health Savings Accounts) correctly regardless of what your W-2 says. Line 2 of Form 8889 asks for employer contributions to your HSA, which you should fill out accurately even if Box 12W on your W-2 is wrong. This form becomes part of your tax return and shows the IRS the correct contribution amounts. I've done this for two tax years without any issues. Just keep your HSA statements showing all contributions as backup documentation.
Something to keep in mind with crypto capital gains - you need to specify if they're short-term (held less than a year) or long-term (over a year). The tax rates are completely different! Short-term gets taxed at your regular income rate while long-term is typically much lower (0%, 15%, or 20% depending on your income bracket).
Thanks for pointing that out. I held most of these coins for over a year, but some of the DeFi stuff was shorter term. Do I need to separate those out specifically on different forms, or just calculate different rates?
You'll report them separately on your Schedule D and Form 8949. You'll use different sections of Form 8949 - Part I for short-term transactions and Part II for long-term. Each transaction gets reported individually with its purchase date, sale date, proceeds, and cost basis. This is where good record keeping becomes really important, as you need to know the specific purchase and sale dates for each position. If you're using tax software, it will guide you through this process and calculate the appropriate tax for each category.
For anyone dealing with missing cost basis info - I learned from my accountant that if you absolutely cannot determine your original cost, the IRS allows you to use $0 as your basis. Obviously that means paying taxes on the full amount, but it's better than making up numbers you can't support and risking penalties.
Jasmine Hernandez
Has anyone else noticed refunds are taking SO MUCH LONGER this year compared to previous years? I filed mid-January and barely got mine last week. My brother filed early February and still waiting. Seems like they're extra slow this year for some reason.
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Adriana Cohn
β’That makes me feel a bit better actually. I was worried something was wrong specifically with my return. Do you think I should still try calling them or just wait it out at this point?
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Jasmine Hernandez
β’If you're at the 21-day mark, it's definitely worth checking in. The IRS won't really give you much info before that timeframe since they consider it normal processing. Once you're past 21 days, they can actually look into what might be causing the delay. I'd recommend either using the "Where's My Refund" tool daily or trying to get through to a representative to make sure nothing's actively wrong with your return. Sometimes there are simple verification issues they can resolve quickly once you're in contact with them.
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Ellie Kim
Did you claim any tax credits like the Earned Income Credit or Additional Child Tax Credit? Those automatically slow down processing because of extra verification steps. Also, if your refund is large ($8,300 is pretty significant), that can trigger additional review too.
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Adriana Cohn
β’Yeah I did claim the Child Tax Credit for my two kids. And I think you're right about the amountβit's definitely the largest refund I've ever had. Guess that could be triggering extra scrutiny.
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Jace Caspullo
β’Those are definitely two factors that can extend processing times. The IRS is particularly careful with refunds that include tax credits for children because there's been fraud in that area. And yes, larger refunds generally receive more scrutiny. I'd recommend waiting until you hit the full 21 business days (not calendar days) before getting too concerned. If you e-filed on February 10, that would put you around March 12 for the 21 business day mark. If you still don't have an update by then, that's when I'd try contacting the IRS directly.
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