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Something nobody has mentioned yet - make sure you're checking BOTH digital and physical mail for your IP PIN. Last year I was waiting for the letter while my PIN was actually sitting in my e-services account the whole time. The IRS is pushing people toward digital communication but doesn't always make it clear that's how they'll contact you. Also, if you filed jointly with a spouse, BOTH of you will need separate IP PINs if either one of you has been issued one. My wife and I learned this the hard way when our return was rejected because I had an IP PIN but she didn't include hers.
Wait, is that true about spouses both needing IP PINs? My husband got an IP PIN last year after some identity theft issues, but I never received one. We file jointly. Will our return be rejected if I don't have one too?
Not exactly - I should have been clearer. If only your husband was issued an IP PIN, then only he needs to enter one on the tax return. What happened in our case was that both my wife and I were separately issued IP PINs (we both had separate identity theft issues), but we only entered mine on our joint return. The rule is that anyone who has been issued an IP PIN must use it when filing, regardless of filing status. So if you personally weren't issued an IP PIN, you don't need one. But if your husband has one, he absolutely needs to include it on your joint return.
Has anyone else noticed that the IRS sends the IP PIN letters in a surprisingly plain envelope? Last year I almost threw mine away because it looked like junk mail. It wasn't clearly marked as being from the IRS on the outside - just had a return address from Kansas City that I didn't recognize at first glance.
YES! This happened to me too! The envelope was so basic looking that it sat in my "probably junk" pile for weeks. I only found it when I was specifically searching for tax documents. You'd think something this important would be clearly marked.
Former bank employee here. The Payer's TIN should absolutely be on the 1099-R. It sounds like you might be dealing with an employee who doesn't understand tax documents. Try calling and specifically asking for their tax document department or someone in operations rather than a regular teller or customer service rep. Ask them to send a corrected 1099-R with the TIN included. If they stonewall you, you can try looking up the bank's EIN online. For larger banks, it's often publicly available. You can search "[Bank Name] EIN" or check their investor relations page.
If I use a bank's EIN I found online and it's wrong, will I get in trouble with the IRS? I'm in a similar situation.
If you make a good faith effort to get the correct information and document your attempts, you won't get in trouble. The IRS understands these situations happen. If you're using an EIN you found through legitimate research and have documented that the bank refused to provide the correct information, you should be fine. The worst that would happen is the IRS might send a notice about the mismatch, at which point you can explain the situation and provide evidence of your attempts to get the correct information.
Has anyone tried just entering all zeros for the TIN when the bank won't provide it? My tax preparer did that last year when we had a similar issue and nothing bad happened.
I use Fidelity for my RSUs and they provide a specialized tax statement that shows the proper adjusted cost basis for RSU sales. Is your broker E*TRADE or Morgan Stanley by chance? I know they sometimes send separate supplemental info that's easy to miss. Check your online account for a document called "Supplemental Information" or "Adjusted Cost Basis Report" - it might have exactly what you need!
I'm using Schwab actually. They did send a supplemental document showing the cost basis, but it's not formatted in a way that makes it easy to match up with the 1099-B transactions. There are different dates and lot numbers that don't seem to correspond exactly to what's on the 1099. Did you have to do any manual matching or calculations with yours?
Ah Schwab can be tricky with RSUs. Their supplemental document requires some manual work unfortunately. The lot numbers on the supplemental document should correspond to specific grant dates, not necessarily the sale dates on your 1099-B. You'll need to match each sale on your 1099-B with the appropriate lot(s) on the supplemental document. Look for matching quantities and dates that are close together. Sometimes a single sale on the 1099-B might include shares from multiple lots on the supplemental document, which means you'll need to calculate a weighted average cost basis for that transaction.
Don't forget to check if you had any disqualifying dispositions if these were Incentive Stock Options (ISOs) rather than RSUs! Different tax treatment altogether. Also, if your company withheld shares for taxes at vesting (typically around 22%), make sure you're only calculating basis on the shares you actually received, not the full grant amount!
Not all RSUs have shares withheld for taxes. Some companies give you the full shares and expect you to pay the taxes separately. The OP should check their vesting statements to confirm whether shares were withheld or not before making adjustments.
Here's a simple example of mark to market accounting that helped me understand it: Say on December 31st you have: - Realized gains for the year: $50,000 - Unrealized losses: $30,000 (positions still open) Under normal capital gains treatment, your taxable gains would be $50,000, and you couldn't use those paper losses yet. Under MTM with 475(f) election: - Taxable amount: $20,000 ($50,000 realized gains - $30,000 marked-to-market losses) - All gains/losses are ordinary income/loss, not capital The difference becomes even more significant if your unrealized losses exceed your realized gains. With normal treatment, you'd be limited to deducting $3,000 against other income. With MTM, you could offset all of it against other income.
But what about the flip side? What if you have big unrealized gains at year end? Wouldn't you have to pay taxes on money you haven't actually received yet? That seems risky.
Yes, that's exactly the tradeoff that makes this decision so important. If you have substantial unrealized gains at year-end, you would indeed have to pay taxes on those paper profits before actually closing the positions. This is why MTM is generally most beneficial for active traders with frequent transactions rather than those who hold positions across tax years. If your strategy involves carrying large unrealized gains across year boundaries, MTM could create cash flow problems when you owe tax on money you haven't actually pocketed yet.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet is the impact on wash sale rules. If you make the 475(f) election, wash sale rules no longer apply to you! This was a game-changer for me as an active trader who frequently re-enters positions. With regular capital treatment, if you sell at a loss and buy substantially identical securities within 30 days before or after, the loss gets disallowed and added to the basis of the new position. This creates a tax nightmare for frequent traders. With MTM, this headache completely disappears.
Does the wash sale exemption apply to both securities and options under MTM? I trade a lot of options around core positions and the wash sale calculations have been a complete nightmare.
Yes, the wash sale exemption under MTM applies to both securities and options, which is fantastic for options traders. Since options are marked to market at year-end anyway, the whole concept of wash sales becomes irrelevant. This is especially valuable for options traders who frequently roll positions or adjust strategies around core holdings. Under regular tax treatment, these adjustments can trigger wash sales that create massive headaches for tax reporting. With MTM, all those complications disappear - you simply mark everything to market on December 31st regardless of your trading activity throughout the year.
Riya Sharma
The age cutoff for the child tax credit makes me so mad too. The tax code defines a "qualifying child" as under 17 at the end of the tax year, which is completely arbitrary! Kids don't suddenly become cheaper to raise when they turn 17. If anything, they get MORE expensive with college applications, senior year activities, etc. Write to your representatives and tell them to fix this! The Build Back Better plan actually proposed extending the credit to 17-year-olds, but it didn't pass. Maybe if enough parents complain, they'll finally update this outdated rule.
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Santiago Diaz
ā¢Do legislators actually read those letters? I've always wondered if contacting representatives actually does anything or if it's just busy work that makes us feel like we're doing something.
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Riya Sharma
ā¢They absolutely do track constituent communications, though often it's staff who read them rather than the actual representative. What really matters is volume - one letter won't do much, but if they receive hundreds or thousands on the same issue, it definitely gets noticed. Email is good, but actual physical letters and phone calls tend to get more attention. If you're really passionate, organizing a group of local parents with 17-year-olds to collectively reach out can be even more effective. Representatives ultimately care about votes, so showing that an issue affects many voters in their district is the best way to get their attention.
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Millie Long
Have you looked into filing for an extension? That would give you until October to pay. You'll still accrue some interest on what you owe, but at least you won't have the failure-to-file penalty, which is much higher than the failure-to-pay penalty. Also, check if you qualify for any education credits. If your 17-year-old is planning for college and you paid for any test prep, college applications, etc., some of those expenses might qualify under education credits.
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KaiEsmeralda
ā¢Extensions only give you more time to file, not more time to pay. The payment is still due in April even with an extension.
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