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Just FYI, if you already filed your return but haven't paid yet, you can also use IRS Direct Pay (https://www.irs.gov/payments/direct-pay) and select "payment type" as "extension" and "reason" as "4868" to pay what you owe. But as others mentioned, it's not technically filing an extension since you already filed. It's just using that payment channel. I did this last year and it worked fine even though I had already filed. The IRS just applies the payment to your account.
That's really helpful to know! So if I understand correctly, I can still use the 4868 payment option even though I've already filed? And the IRS will just apply it to my balance due without me needing to do anything else?
Yes, that's exactly right. When you make the payment, the IRS system is mainly concerned with getting your money and correctly identifying which taxpayer account to apply it to. They'll automatically apply any payment to your outstanding balance. The form number you select mainly helps their internal routing but has no impact on your already filed return. Just make sure you use the same SSN/name as your tax return so it gets matched to your account correctly.
Don't listen to all this complicated advice. Just call the IRS and tell them you need more time to pay. They'll work with you. I've done it 3 years in a row lol.
Yeah good luck with "just call the IRS" - have you tried calling them recently? I spent 4 hours on hold last week and never got through. That's why services like Claimyr exist in the first place.
One thing nobody mentioned - if you do agree with the CP2000 adjustment, make sure you check if it affects your state taxes too! I made that mistake and ended up getting a similar notice from my state a few months later. Had to pay additional interest because I didn't amend my state return after resolving the federal issue.
Oh man I didn't even think about state taxes! Does anyone know if I need to contact my state tax department proactively or wait to see if they send me something?
It depends on your state, but most states automatically receive information from the IRS about adjustments to federal returns. However, you usually need to be proactive and file an amended state return rather than waiting for them to contact you. In most states, you have a certain timeframe (often 60 or 90 days) after finalizing changes with the IRS to submit an amended state return without additional penalties. If you wait for them to notice and contact you, you'll likely end up paying more in interest and possibly penalties too.
When you respond to the CP2000, make sure you include ALL documentation they ask for, not just some of it. I made that mistake and it dragged my case out for months because they kept requesting additional info. Even if you think a document isn't relevant, if they ask for it, include it!
Is it better to mail the response or use their online portal if available? I've heard horror stories about mailed documents getting lost.
Just want to add something that no one's mentioned yet. When you take the missed RMD now, make sure your custodian codes it correctly on the 1099-R they'll issue. They should code it for the year you actually take it (2023), not 2022. This is important because you'll include that distribution on your 2023 tax return, not your 2022 return. The Form 5329 for the missed 2022 RMD gets filed with your 2022 return (or separately if you've already filed). Also, don't forget you still need to take your regular 2023 RMD by the end of this year too. So you'll be taking two distributions this year.
Thank you for pointing this out! I was actually confused about which tax year to report the missed distribution in. So to clarify - we take the missed 2022 RMD amount now, report it on our 2023 taxes, but file the Form 5329 with our 2022 taxes (or separately if we already filed)? And we still need to take the full 2023 RMD by the end of this year? That means double distributions this year, right?
That's correct. The missed 2022 RMD that you take now will be reported on your 2023 tax return because that's when you actually received the money. The Form 5329 reporting the missed RMD goes with your 2022 return because that's the year you were supposed to take it. Yes, you'll need to take both distributions this year - the missed 2022 one and your regular 2023 RMD. This sometimes creates a slightly higher tax situation since you're bunching two distributions in one tax year. If the combined amount might push you into a higher tax bracket, you might want to talk to a tax professional about timing the distributions to minimize the impact.
My father had this exact issue with a missed RMD and the IRS actually rejected his waiver request the first time. What worked was filing an appeal with additional documentation. He ended up getting the entire penalty waived after the appeal. The key was providing documentation that showed a pattern of compliance before the missed year. He included statements showing he had taken proper RMDs for the previous 3 years. Also, if the inherited IRA is from a spouse, check if you qualify for different RMD rules. The requirements can be different depending on whether you're a spousal beneficiary or non-spousal beneficiary.
Quick question - does anyone know if emotional distress from discrimination is taxable? I thought I read somewhere that personal physical injury settlements are not taxable but emotional distress is. My settlement was for emotional distress from workplace discrimination.
Yes, that's correct. Settlements for physical injuries are generally not taxable (excluding punitive damages). However, settlements for emotional distress WITHOUT physical injury are typically taxable. The IRS views emotional distress as taxable even if it resulted in physical symptoms (like headaches or stomach issues). Only settlements specifically for physical injuries or physical sickness are tax-free. If your settlement was purely for emotional distress from workplace discrimination with no physical injury component, it would be taxable income that should be reported on Schedule 1 (not as self-employment income).
Has anyone actually had their return audited over this issue? I'm in a similar situation (though smaller settlement) and wondering how risky it is to override the 1099-NEC categorization without getting the company to issue a corrected form.
I've worked with several clients who reported 1099-NEC settlements correctly on Schedule 1 instead of Schedule C, and none have been audited specifically for this issue. The key is documentation - keep your settlement agreement and a brief explanation of why you're reporting it differently than the form indicates. Remember, the IRS computer systems will notice the discrepancy (1099-NEC reported but not on Schedule C), but having proper documentation ready is your best defense. It's actually riskier to incorrectly pay self-employment tax on settlement income than to properly report it as other income.
Ava Martinez
One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that PTPs like oil ETFs have special rules about passive activity loss limitations in addition to the basis limitations. Even if you have enough basis to claim the losses, you might be limited by the passive activity rules since these are generally considered passive investments. If your modified adjusted gross income is below $150,000, you might qualify for the $25,000 special allowance for passive losses, but otherwise those losses may be suspended until you have passive income or dispose of the entire interest.
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Liam McConnell
ā¢Wait, so there could be ANOTHER limitation beyond the basis issue? So even if I figure out the basis part and have enough basis to take the loss, I might still not be able to deduct it because of these passive activity rules? Does that mean the loss just disappears completely?
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Ava Martinez
ā¢The loss doesn't disappear completely - it gets suspended and carried forward to future tax years. You can use these suspended passive losses when you either generate passive income from other sources or when you completely dispose of your interest in the partnership. The passive activity rules are separate from basis limitations, so you need to clear both hurdles to claim the losses in the current year. First, you need sufficient basis, and second, you need to have either passive income or qualify for the special allowance. If you don't meet these conditions, the losses get carried forward until you do.
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Miguel Castro
Has anyone tried using TurboTax for these complicated K-1 situations? I've got similar oil ETF K-1s and I'm wondering if the software can handle the basis calculations correctly or if I need to override something manually.
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Zainab Abdulrahman
ā¢TurboTax can handle the data entry part fine, but in my experience, it doesn't help much with calculating your adjusted basis or determining loss limitations. I ended up having to do those calculations separately and then just entering the final numbers. The software doesn't track your basis from year to year either, which becomes a real problem if you hold these investments long-term.
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