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Quick question - does anyone know if there's any sort of "statute of limitations" on fixing excess Roth IRA contributions? My parents might be in a similar situation from 2020 contributions and I'm wondering if it's too late to fix it without major penalties.
From what I understand, there's no statute of limitations on the 6% excess contribution penalty. It continues to apply each year until you either withdraw the excess contribution or use up unused contribution room in a later year (if you start having earned income again). The sooner you fix it, the fewer years you'll pay the penalty. For a 2020 excess contribution that's still in the account, they'd potentially owe the 6% penalty for 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024 by now.
Thanks for the info. That's really helpful. So basically they're accumulating a 6% penalty every single year this isn't fixed? That definitely means we need to address this ASAP rather than ignore it. Would they need to file amended returns for all those previous years to pay the penalties, or is there some streamlined process for handling this?
For anyone dealing with excess contribution issues, I used FreeTaxUSA to file my Form 5329 separately from my regular tax return. Way cheaper than going through a tax pro for what's ultimately a fairly simple form once you understand what numbers go where.
Did you have to create a whole new tax return just to file the 5329? Or is there a way to file just that form by itself? I don't want to redo my entire 2022 return just to add this form.
11 Another tip - before going to your appointment, organize the Robinhood document a bit. I paperclip the summary 1099 page at the front, then group the detailed transaction pages together by category (stocks, dividends, crypto, etc.). My tax person really appreciated this small effort since it made finding specific information easier. Still bring all the pages though!
22 That's smart! Do you think it would be helpful to highlight the important numbers on each page too, or would that annoy a professional?
11 I'd avoid highlighting since different tax professionals look for different things on each page. The paperclip method works well because it organizes without obscuring any information. If you want to go the extra mile, make a simple cover sheet listing what types of investments you had (stocks, dividends, crypto, etc.) and on which pages they can be found. My tax person said this was extremely helpful and saved them time, which ultimately saved me money since many charge by the hour.
5 Question - does anyone know if we should be bringing previous years' Robinhood documents as well? I still have last year's 20-page monster file and wasn't sure if the tax preparer would need that for comparison or to check for carryover losses.
19 Definitely bring the previous year if you had any investment losses! I forgot mine and had to reschedule my appointment. My tax guy needed to check for capital loss carryovers from the previous year to offset some of my gains. Apparently you can carry losses forward for years.
Have you tried using the IRS Withholding Estimator? It's free and pretty accurate. Just Google "IRS Withholding Estimator" and it'll be the first result. I found it helpful when I started my new job. Make sure you have your most recent pay stub handy and know roughly what your total income will be for the year. It'll tell you if you're on track or if you need to submit a new W-4. Much better than guessing!
I just tried this and it says I'm almost perfectly on track for my withholding! According to the estimator, I'll get a small refund of about $120 if nothing changes with my income for the rest of the year. That's honestly a relief. Thanks for the suggestion - this was super helpful and easy to use. I've bookmarked it to check again if my income changes!
Ok but am I the only one who WANTS a big refund? Everyone's always like "don't give the government an interest-free loan" but honestly having that forced savings that comes back as a lump sum helps me buy big things I need. I intentionally have extra withheld from each check and I'm happy about it.
Another thing to consider is that if you pay your taxes with a credit card (through H&R Block or any tax software), there's always a processing fee of around 2-3%. So even if you could get cash back on the tax payment (which you can't), you'd still be paying that processing fee which would likely cancel out much of the benefit. I usually just set up direct payment from my bank account through the tax software to avoid those fees completely.
What about using a credit card that gives really good cash back rewards? Would that make sense even with the processing fee? I have a card that gives 2% on everything.
Even with a 2% cash back credit card, you'd basically break even or lose money. The payment processors that handle IRS payments typically charge 1.87% to 3.93% depending on which one you use. If you get 2% back on your card but pay a 2.5% processing fee, you're still losing 0.5% overall. It's generally not worth it unless you have a special promotion or really need to meet a minimum spend requirement for a big bonus on your card.
Has anyone confirmed if the 16% is actually showing up in their Rakuten account after filing? Sometimes these offers have exclusions in the fine print. I saw it advertised but wanted to check if people are actually getting the full amount before I commit to H&R Block.
I filed last week using H&R Block Premium through Rakuten. The 16% cash back showed up in my Rakuten account within 2 days. I paid $89 for the software and got $14.24 cash back. Make sure you click through the Rakuten link directly and complete your purchase in the same session!
Anthony Young
Another option besides what others mentioned: check if your employer reported your wages electronically to the Social Security Administration. You can create an account on ssa.gov and view your detailed earnings record. This won't have your withholding info, but it will show what wages were reported under your SSN. Also, if you have your final paystub of the year (the last one from December), it should have your year-to-date totals which will give you everything except for what you earned in January. For the unpaid wages, definitely file a complaint with your state labor board. In most states, you can get penalties added on top of your unpaid wages if they don't pay you within a certain timeframe after termination.
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Victoria Charity
ā¢I just checked the SSA site like you suggested and was able to create an account! You're right, I can see my earnings there, though it only shows quarterly totals not the withholding info. Super helpful for figuring out what I made before January though! One more question - if I file using Form 4852 with my best estimates and later receive my actual W-2, do I need to amend my return?
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Anthony Young
ā¢Yes, if you receive your W-2 after filing with Form 4852 and notice any significant differences between your estimates and the actual W-2 amounts, you should file an amended return using Form 1040-X. However, if the differences are very small and don't affect your tax liability, the IRS generally doesn't require an amendment. The good news is that most employers electronically report W-2 information to the IRS, so even if you don't have the physical form, the IRS likely has your wage and withholding information in their system. This is why it's so helpful to speak with them directly about your situation.
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Charlotte White
I used to work in payroll, and just wanted to add - definitely check your last paystub from December because it should have your year-to-date totals for everything (earnings, federal withholding, state withholding, etc). That covers everything except your January earnings. For January, if you got paid via direct deposit, your bank statement will show exactly what you received. Then you just need to figure out the withholding for those January payments. Most payroll systems use the same withholding percentages unless you changed your W-4. So if your federal withholding was consistently 15% of your gross pay, you can apply that same percentage to your January earnings to estimate January's withholding.
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Admin_Masters
ā¢This is good advice but just be careful with the January estimate. Tax withholding often changes at the beginning of a new year because of FICA limits and tax table changes. So your January withholding percentages might be slightly different than December.
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