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5 One thing nobody mentioned yet - make sure your wife keeps really good records of all business expenses and income! My husband started a side business last year and our tax filing got delayed because we had to go back and organize all his expenses and receipts at the last minute. Also, don't forget about estimated quarterly tax payments. Since taxes aren't automatically withheld from business income like they are from a regular paycheck, you might need to make quarterly payments to avoid a penalty when you file.
10 What's the threshold for when you need to start making those quarterly payments? My wife's photography business is just getting started and probably won't make much profit the first year.
5 Generally, you need to make estimated tax payments if you expect to owe $1,000 or more in taxes when you file your return. For a new business, it can be tricky to estimate, but it's based on the profit (income minus expenses), not just the total income. Since your wife is just starting out, you might not need to worry about this the first year if she's investing in equipment and has more startup expenses than income. But it's definitely something to keep in mind as the business grows. The IRS website has a worksheet to help figure out if you need to make these payments.
22 Quick tip from someone who's been filing taxes with my husband's small business for years - you might want to open a separate bank account and credit card just for the business. Makes tracking expenses SO much easier at tax time. Also look into what business deductions you can take - my husband's photography business was able to deduct equipment, a portion of our home for his office space, mileage to photoshoots, etc. Those deductions really added up on our joint return!
16 Do you need a business license before you can start deducting business expenses? My wife has been taking photography jobs but hasn't formally registered anything yet.
One thing to check before filing an amendment - are you sure the software didn't already include your excess Social Security tax in your calculations? When I had this issue, the excess SS tax was properly included in my total payments on Form 1040, even though my total tax owed was high enough that I still ended up owing additional money. In other words, your $13k owed might have already been reduced from an even higher amount by accounting for the $9,500 excess SS tax. Might be worth double-checking all the numbers on your 1040 before going through the trouble of amending.
That's a good point! I'll go through line by line on my 1040 again. When you had this situation, was your excess SS tax shown separately anywhere on the final 1040 form, or was it just included in a larger total? I'm having trouble tracing where exactly the $9,500 should have been applied.
The excess SS tax won't appear as a separate line on Form 1040 itself. It starts on Schedule 3, Line 11, then gets included in the total on Schedule 3, Line 15. That total then transfers to Form 1040, Line 31 as "other payments and refundable credits." Line 31 then gets added with your withholding and other payments to create Line 33 "total payments." So to trace it, check Schedule 3 first to confirm the excess SS tax is on Line 11, then follow the totals to make sure they correctly transfer to Form 1040. If Line 33 of your 1040 doesn't include the excess SS amount, that's when you know there's an error that needs amending.
When you say you had multiple jobs, were any of them self-employment? I ask because the rules are different for calculating excess Social Security tax if some of your income was from self-employment versus just having multiple W-2 jobs. If any income was from self-employment, you need to use a different calculation method using Schedule SE along with Form 8959. That might explain why the excess Social Security tax wasn't automatically applied to reduce your tax bill.
Good point about self-employment complicating things. I had this exact issue last year with a mix of W-2 and 1099 work. The tax software completely messed up my excess SS calculations. Ended up having to manually work through the calculations using the worksheet in Publication 505.
Don't forget that some states have different rules for gambling income than the federal government! For example, in my state, you can't deduct gambling losses at all on your state return even though you still have to report all winnings as income. Made for a nasty surprise when I filed last year.
Which state are you in? I'm in NJ and now I'm worried about this.
I'm in Massachusetts. Each state has their own rules - I believe in NJ you can deduct gambling losses but only against gambling winnings, similar to federal. But always check with your state's department of revenue to be certain, as these rules change occasionally, especially with the expansion of legal online betting. Massachusetts doesn't allow gambling loss deductions at all on the state return, which means you pay state tax on all your winnings regardless of losses. Several other states have similar limitations.
Something nobody mentioned - online betting platforms should send you a Form W-2G if you hit certain thresholds. Usually it's winnings of $600 or more if the payout is at least 300x your wager. But even if you don't get a W-2G, you're still legally required to report ALL gambling winnings.
Thanks for bringing this up! I haven't received any W-2G forms yet, but I did have a few big wins that were well over $600. Do you know if the betting sites report this information to the IRS directly? I'm wondering if they'll know about my winnings even if I don't report them (though I plan to report everything properly).
Yes, the betting platforms do report those large winnings to the IRS using your SSN, so the IRS will know about them regardless of whether you receive a W-2G or not. The platforms are required to report certain large wins, and some will automatically withhold taxes on major payouts. If you don't report winnings that were reported to the IRS, you'll almost certainly get a notice from them later. That's why it's crucial to keep good records of both wins AND losses throughout the year, so you can properly document everything if needed.
Just to add another perspective - I've been doing my own taxes for 15 years using various software options. Last year I finally hired an EA because I started a small business and was terrified of making mistakes. Cost me $375 for both federal and state, which seemed high until I realized all the deductions she found that I would have missed. She literally saved me over $2,100 in taxes! What surprised me most was how much I learned during the process. She explained everything and gave me tips for better record-keeping this year. Software can ask questions, but it can't look at your specific situation and proactively suggest strategies like a human can.
Did your EA charge a flat fee or hourly? And how did you find them? I'm in a similar situation and worried about getting overcharged.
Mine charged a flat fee based on the forms needed. She quoted the price upfront after our initial consultation once she understood my situation. Some do charge hourly, especially for more complex situations or ongoing advice throughout the year. I found her through the National Association of Enrolled Agents website (NAEA.org) which has a directory. I interviewed two before choosing. Definitely ask potential tax pros about their experience with your specific situation, their fee structure, and their availability throughout the year if you have questions. A good tax professional should be willing to explain their pricing clearly.
Does anyone know if most CPAs or EAs offer some kind of free initial consultation? I'm not sure if I need help or not and don't want to pay just to find out.
Most of the ones I've contacted do offer free 15-30 minute consultations. Just be prepared with specific questions about your situation so you can make the most of that time. And don't expect detailed tax advice during that free session - it's really more for them to assess your needs and for you to assess if they're a good fit.
Sophia Long
I was in almost the exact same situation last year! One thing to consider that nobody's mentioned yet - check your withholding status on your W-4. When the tax laws changed a few years back, a lot of people with dual incomes had issues with underwithholding. If both you and your spouse have jobs, you might need to use the "Two Jobs" worksheet on the W-4 or check the box in Step 2, and possibly add additional withholding in Step 4(c). Since you mentioned you're both at "0" allowances, that makes me think you might be using an older W-4 form - the new form doesn't use allowances anymore. My wife and I were getting killed with a big tax bill every year until we fixed this!
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Jeremiah Brown
ā¢Thank you for bringing this up! We haven't updated our W-4s in years, and I didn't realize the form had changed. Do you know if it's too late to adjust withholding for this year to make any difference for the upcoming April tax bill? Or would this only help for next year?
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Sophia Long
ā¢It's probably too late to make much difference for this year's April tax bill since there are only a few pay periods left in December. However, I strongly recommend updating your W-4s now so you don't face the same issue next year. The new W-4 form is completely different from the old one. Instead of claiming allowances, you now need to account for multiple jobs either by checking a box in Step 2 or using the online IRS Tax Withholding Estimator. Given your income level, you might also need to add an additional dollar amount to be withheld from each paycheck in Step 4(c). Focus on your 401k contributions for this year's tax bill, and get your withholding right for next year.
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Logan Greenburg
One quick thing to check - did your income jump significantly around the time you started owing $7k? Or did either of you switch jobs? Sometimes when your income increases, it pushes you into a higher tax bracket or phases out deductions you were previously eligible for. Also, have either of you started taking withdrawals from retirement accounts? At 65+, Required Minimum Distributions can really throw off your tax situation if you're not prepared for them.
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Charlotte Jones
ā¢Great point about RMDs! My parents got hit hard with those once they turned 72 (now it's 73). Their tax bill went up by thousands even though their actual spending didn't change at all. And the penalties for not taking them are brutal - 25% of the amount you should have withdrawn!
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