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I work part time in a university financial aid office and students ask us this question all the time. Here's the deal: the Lifetime Learning Credit allows for "qualified tuition and related expenses." Related expenses include fees and course materials required for enrollment. These online platforms (WileyPlus, McGraw Hill Connect, etc.) have essentially replaced traditional textbooks in many courses. Since they're required to complete coursework, they qualify as related expenses for the LLC. Just make sure you keep documentation showing they were required - save your course syllabi that specify these materials are needed, along with payment receipts. The university doesn't report these separate purchases on your 1098-T, so the burden of proof is on you if you get audited.
How do you document that something was "required" though? My prof just tells us verbally we need the McGraw Hill access code but it isn't mentioned anywhere in writing. Does that count?
You should email your professor asking them to confirm in writing that the McGraw Hill access is required for the course. A simple email response will work as documentation. Alternatively, check if your course has a syllabus or course website that mentions the requirement - you can take a screenshot or save that as a PDF. If there's absolutely nothing in writing, you might ask the professor to update the syllabus or send a class-wide email confirming these materials are required. The key is having some form of documentation beyond just a verbal instruction. Remember, the IRS wants to see proof that these weren't optional purchases but necessary for your coursework.
just an fyi i claimed all my online homework subscriptions last year for the lifetime learning credit and got no issues from the irs. added up to like $750 for all my classes and got back about $150 extra on my refund (20% credit). definitely worth doing if u have the receipts. make sure u keep the emails or syllabus that shows these things were required tho. my friend got audited for something else and they asked for proof for everything he claimed.
Did you have to mail in any documentation or just enter the extra amount somewhere on your tax form? I've never claimed education credits before.
u just enter the total qualified expenses on form 8863 for education credits. no need to mail receipts or anything, but keep all that stuff in case ur ever asked for it. i used turbotax and it walked me thru it - there's a specific section for education credits where u put in all the expenses. super easy. just add up all ur tuition plus the required subscriptions and enter the total.
The 30% guideline is definitely high for most small partnerships. We've been operating for 5 years now and usually end up paying closer to 20-22% after all deductions. Don't forget you can write off things like: - Business travel - Home office (if you qualify) - Health insurance premiums - 50% of meals with clients/prospects - Vehicle expenses if used for business - Professional development/continuing education - Business insurance Make sure your CPA is aggressive (but legal) with identifying all possible deductions. That SBA advice is a good starting place, but it's definitely on the conservative side.
This is super helpful, thank you! We've been tracking expenses but weren't sure about some of these categories. Are there specific records we need to keep for the home office deduction?
For the home office deduction, you need to measure the square footage of your dedicated workspace versus your entire home to calculate the percentage used for business. Keep receipts for all home-related expenses (utilities, internet, rent/mortgage, insurance, repairs) as you'll apply that same percentage to these costs. Take photos of your home office setup and maintain a log showing regular use. The space must be used exclusively for business - a corner of your bedroom doesn't qualify if you're also sleeping there. The IRS scrutinizes this deduction, so documentation is key. A separate entrance is ideal but not required. Your CPA can help determine if the regular deduction or simplified method (currently $5 per square foot up to 300 sq ft) is better for your situation.
Yall are overthinking this. Just keep good records, pay your quarterly estimates based on last year's income (100% of prior year tax is safe harbor to avoid penalties), and let your CPA sort it out at tax time. The 30% rule is fine if you're making decent money, might be overkill if you're just starting out. Use the rest to grow your biz!
That's super reassuring, thanks! We definitely want to follow the rules but also not handicap our growth in these early stages. I'll talk to our CPA about the safe harbor provision you mentioned.
One thing to watch out for - if your MBA would qualify you for a new trade or business (like switching careers completely), the IRS might disallow the deduction. I tried to deduct my MBA when I was transitioning from property management to investment banking and got audited. Make sure your education is improving skills for your CURRENT business, not preparing you for something new.
Thanks for that warning. My goal isn't to change careers - I'm planning to expand my real estate portfolio and possibly move into commercial properties in the future. Would that still count as my "current" business or would the IRS see commercial real estate as a new trade?
Expanding from residential to commercial real estate would generally still be considered the same trade or business since you're still in property management and real estate investment. The IRS would likely view this as a natural progression within your current business rather than entering a new field entirely. Going from real estate into something completely different like investment banking (as in my case) is what triggers the "new trade or business" limitation. Just make sure you document your intention to expand within real estate rather than presenting it as preparation for a career change.
Has anyone used TurboTax to claim education expenses for rental property? I'm trying to figure out where to enter this and it's not obvious. The education expense section seems focused on student tax credits not business deductions.
In TurboTax, you'd enter it under the Schedule E section for your rental property. When you get to the expenses part for each property, there's an "Other Expenses" category where you can add custom expense items. That's where I put my real estate continuing education costs last year.
Make sure you check if your state taxes this differently too! Federal and state tax rules don't always align on what's considered taxable income. In my state, court-ordered penalties are entirely exempt from state income tax.
This is good advice. California treats punitive damages the same as federal, but I know New York has some differences in how they tax certain court awards.
Exactly. It varies widely by state. For example, in Pennsylvania they follow federal guidelines pretty closely, but in Michigan, they have specific exemptions for certain types of damages. Worth checking your state's department of revenue website or tax guidelines.
Did the court specifically classify the additional amount as "punitive damages" or as "statutory damages"? This can make a difference for tax purposes sometimes. Statutory damages might be treated differently than punitive damages in certain cases.
The judgment just says I'm awarded "double damages pursuant to [state law]" and cites the relevant statute about wrongfully withheld security deposits. It doesn't specifically use the terms "punitive" or "statutory" from what I can see.
Based on that wording, it sounds like statutory damages rather than punitive damages, since it's specifically following a state statute that prescribes the double damages remedy. However, for tax purposes, most statutory damages are still considered taxable income. I'd recommend noting on your tax return that these were "statutory damages under [state] security deposit law" when you report the additional amount beyond your original deposit. This provides clarity in case of any questions.
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5 Just to add another perspective - I'm a small salon owner, and sometimes there are legitimate reasons for 1099 discrepancies, though $4,800 seems excessive. Sometimes business owners count credit card processing fees or booth rental against contractor payments. This isn't correct practice, but it happens. I would recommend your brother check his payment records carefully - does he have receipts for every payment? Bank deposits? Cash app records? Having solid documentation is crucial regardless of whether the salon corrects the form or not.
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ā¢22 Do credit card fees really add up to that much though? And even if they do, isn't it illegal to deduct those from reported contractor payments? I thought the 1099 was supposed to show the gross amount paid.
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ā¢5 Credit card fees typically run 2-3%, so no, they wouldn't account for a $4,800 discrepancy unless your brother earned well over $150,000 from this one shop. You're absolutely right that the 1099-NEC should show the gross amount paid to the contractor before any fees. What sometimes happens (incorrectly) is that salon owners might deduct booth rental fees or product charges before calculating the 1099 amount. This is incorrect - those should be handled separately, and the 1099 should reflect the total payments made to the contractor.
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18 Make sure your brother keeps immaculate records going forward! I'm a barber too and I use a simple spreadsheet where I record EVERY transaction, including tips. I also take pictures of daily receipts and keep all payment app notifications. This has saved me twice when dealing with incorrect 1099s. Remember that even if the barbershop doesn't fix their mistake, your brother is legally obligated to report his full income. The last thing he wants is an audit where he can't substantiate his actual earnings!
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ā¢1 Thank you all for the advice! I'm showing my brother this thread tonight. He does keep pretty good records with a booking app that tracks all his appointments and payments, plus he has his bank statements showing deposits. I think we'll start with a formal written request for a corrected 1099-NEC, and if that doesn't work, he'll report the full income anyway and keep all his documentation ready. And maybe check out some of these services you've all recommended to make sure he's handling everything correctly!
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