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Yara Haddad

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Another thing to consider - if your mother-in-law is getting tax advice from friends her age or an older accountant who hasn't kept up with tax law changes, there might be some outdated information floating around. The gift tax rules have changed several times over decades, but gifts to individuals have never been income tax deductible in my lifetime. Maybe show her the IRS publication that covers gifts? Sometimes seeing it in official print helps convince people. Publication 559 covers this topic.

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Dylan Wright

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That's an excellent point about possibly getting outdated advice. She mentioned getting this information from "her tax guy" who I suspect might be someone she's been using for decades. Where can I find that IRS publication online to show her? And is there a specific section that directly addresses this gift vs income deduction issue?

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Yara Haddad

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You can find Publication 559 directly on the IRS website (irs.gov), but the publication that most directly addresses gift taxes is actually Publication 950 "Introduction to Estate and Gift Taxes." Look specifically at the section titled "Gift Tax" which clearly explains that gifts aren't income tax deductible. Another helpful resource is the IRS's FAQ page on gift taxes which explicitly states that gifts to individuals don't qualify as income tax deductions. Showing her these official sources should help, especially if her tax preparer is giving outdated or incorrect advice. If she's been doing this for years, she might want to consult with a different tax professional to see if amended returns are necessary.

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Just wanted to add - your mother-in-law should be careful! My aunt did this exact thing (deducting gifts to family from income) for several years and got audited. The IRS disallowed all those deductions, charged her back taxes plus penalties and interest. It was a mess to clean up. The only exception would be if she's making these gifts from a charitable remainder trust or something similar, but that's a whole different situation that requires proper legal setup.

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Paolo Conti

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Did your aunt have to file amended returns for all those years or did the IRS just assess the additional tax? I'm worried about my parents who might have been doing something similar.

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I tried claiming my roommate as a dependent once because I was paying all the bills and got audited so fast lol. Make sure your cousin ACTUALLY qualifies. The IRS has been cracking down on dependent claims.

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Omar Mahmoud

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What happened with the audit? Did you have to pay penalties or just return the tax benefit?

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Chloe Harris

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Stupid question maybe but does your cousin file his own taxes? If he does and claims himself as independent, and then you also try to claim him, it'll trigger an automatic flag in the IRS system.

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Amina Toure

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I don't think he's filed taxes the last couple years since he hasn't had income. But that's a good point, I should probably ask him to be sure before I file.

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Diego Vargas

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This is super important! Both of you can't claim him. I had this happen with my niece and it delayed my refund by 5 months while the IRS sorted it out. Make sure you have that conversation before either of you file.

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Pedro Sawyer

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Not to confuse things more, but wanted to add that Form 8812 changed significantly for this tax year. The old version was pretty simple, but the new one has multiple parts and worksheets. If you're filing by hand (which I don't recommend with the CTC advanced payments), make sure you're using the current version. H&R Block software should handle this automatically, but sometimes it helps to know where to look. In H&R Block, after entering your dependent info, there should be a section about "Child Tax Credit" or "Credits for Children and Dependents" where you can verify the advanced payments are properly accounted for.

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Rosie Harper

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Thank you for this information! I found the section in H&R Block you mentioned and it did ask for the advanced payment amount. Once I entered the total from my bank statements (around $1,800), it adjusted my refund calculation and everything made more sense. It does actually do the Form 8812 automatically. I also realized I was comparing to years when my child was younger and I qualified for additional credits. Getting half the child tax credit in advance definitely explains the difference in my refund amount.

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Mae Bennett

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Has anyone else noticed that their tax software doesn't calculate Schedule 8812 correctly this year? I tried both TurboTax and FreeTaxUSA and got different results for the same information.

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I used H&R Block and it seemed to handle it fine. Make sure you're entering the EXACT amount of advance payments you received. If you put in even a slightly wrong number it can mess up the calculations. I had to go through my bank statements and add up all the deposits to get it right.

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Mae Bennett

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Thanks for the suggestion. I double-checked my bank statements and realized I was off by about $300 in what I thought I received. After correcting the amount, both software packages gave me the same result. You're right that even small differences can affect the calculation.

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This happened to my brother too. He just kept the money and never heard anything about it. The IRS is dealing with millions of these cases so they probably won't come after you for it. But technically you should return it if you were claimed as a dependent.

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Thanks for sharing your brother's experience. I'm really torn about what to do here. Did your brother just keep it and not file any forms or make any reports about it? Did he just pretend he never got it?

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He literally just kept it and did nothing. It's been over a year and he hasn't heard anything from the IRS. Not saying that's what you should do, just sharing what happened in his case. I think the IRS is so swamped that small individual cases like this aren't high priority for them to track down. But of course, the right thing to do would be to return it according to their procedures.

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Josef Tearle

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Has anyone checked if the rules changed for the latest stimulus? The eligibility requirements have been different for each round of payments. I thought I read somewhere that adult dependents were included in the most recent one. Might be worth checking if the payment is actually correct before going through the hassle of returning it.

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This is actually a good point. The American Rescue Plan expanded eligibility for adult dependents for the third stimulus payment. College students who are dependents didn't qualify for the first two stimulus payments but might qualify for the third one. Double-check which payment this is before returning anything.

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Have you looked into a sales tax service like Avalara or TaxJar? They integrate with most e-commerce platforms and handle the calculation, collection, and filing for you. They can't solve your immediate permit problem, but they make compliance much easier once you're set up. We use TaxJar for our Shopify store and it automatically adjusts the tax rates based on the delivery address. They even handle filing the returns in most states so we don't have to remember different filing frequencies and deadlines for each state.

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Thanks for the suggestion! We actually do use TaxJar for calculations, but the issue is still around whether we can legally turn on collection in states where we don't have the permit yet. Seems like from what others are saying, we definitely need to wait until the permits are approved. I'll mention the filing service to my boss though - might help lighten the load once we're up and running!

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That makes sense! Yes, definitely wait for the permits. One other tip - many states will give you a registration date that's earlier than the date you actually receive the permit. This is normal and means you can start collecting as soon as you get approval, even if you're "technically" registered as of an earlier date. Just make sure to keep good records in the meantime!

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Just a caution from someone who learned the hard way - even if your permits are delayed, set aside the amount you'd be collecting in sales tax anyway. When you finally get approved, several states will expect you to pay the tax on sales made after you established nexus, regardless of whether you collected it from customers. I had to pay about $3,800 out of pocket because I wasn't setting money aside while waiting for permits in 3 states. Don't make my mistake!

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Max Knight

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Oof, that's rough. Which states hit you with backdated liability? I'm currently in the permit process with NY, NJ, and California.

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California was the worst offender - they backdated my liability to exactly when I crossed the threshold ($500,000 in sales or 200 transactions). Illinois and Massachusetts did something similar, but they were more reasonable about waiving penalties since I registered promptly after exceeding the threshold. Just be especially careful with California - they track your sales somehow and knew almost exactly when I hit nexus!

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