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One thing to be careful about - while the distribution itself is just a transfer, you need to be mindful of your basis in the S corp. If you take distributions that exceed your basis, the excess can be taxed as capital gains. This is a common mistake that can cause issues at tax time. Your basis increases with capital contributions and your share of income, and decreases with distributions and your share of losses. It's worth tracking this carefully throughout the year rather than trying to figure it out all at tax time.
Thanks for bringing this up! I hadn't considered the basis issue. Do you recommend any specific tracking method for keeping tabs on this throughout the year? Is this something I should be having my bookkeeper monitor?
Your bookkeeper should definitely be tracking this if they're familiar with S corporations. The simplest method is to maintain a basis worksheet or schedule that gets updated with each capital contribution, income/loss allocation, and distribution. QuickBooks and other accounting software don't automatically track S corp basis, so you'll need a separate spreadsheet or basis tracking tool. Some tax preparation software includes basis worksheets that you can update throughout the year. The key is documenting everything contemporaneously rather than trying to reconstruct it at year-end.
Does anyone know if there are any specific times during the year when it's better to take distributions? Like, should I avoid taking them right before filing taxes or anything like that? First year S-corp owner here too.
There's no rules about timing for tax purposes since the income is passed through to you regardless of when distributions happen. But practically speaking, many accountants recommend keeping distributions somewhat proportional to your salary throughout the year rather than taking one massive distribution and small salary. Looks less suspicious if you get audited.
On the topic of the original post, I had the exact same situation with Fidelity last year. They refused to issue a Code 8 for the year of the excess contribution and only would provide a Code P for the following year. What I ended up doing was including the excess contribution amount on my 2020 return as additional wages (as Publication 525 says to do), then keeping very detailed records of this. When I received the Code P 1099-R in 2021, I reported it on my tax return BUT then included an offsetting negative amount on Schedule 1 with a note explaining it was already included in prior year income. My accountant said this was the correct approach and fully compliant with IRS regulations. The most important thing is keeping good documentation in case you're ever questioned about it.
Thanks for sharing your experience! That's really helpful to know someone else has been through this exact situation with Fidelity. I'm planning to follow the same approach you did. Just to confirm - did you include any special notes or attachments with your 2020 return to explain why you were including additional wage income that didn't match your W-2? Or did you just add it to Line 1 without further explanation?
I added the excess amount directly to Line 1 on my 1040 for 2020. My accountant also included a statement with the return that briefly explained the situation - basically noting that we were reporting excess 401(k) deferrals returned in 2021 as 2020 income per Publication 525. For my 2021 return, we included a more detailed statement explaining why we were reporting the 1099-R with code P but also including the offsetting negative entry. The key is making sure there's a clear paper trail showing you handled it correctly and aren't double-reporting or missing income.
Would this situation be handled differently if you didn't catch the excess contribution until after April 15th of the following year? My employer just notified me that I had excess deferrals in 2020 (because of job change) but it's already past April. Am I stuck with penalties now?
Yes, it's handled quite differently after April 15th! If excess deferrals aren't distributed by April 15th of the year following the year of deferral, you end up with a serious tax headache. In your case, those excess contributions are now essentially "double taxed." They'll be included in your taxable income for the year contributed (2020) AND again when they're eventually distributed from the plan. Additionally, they're still sitting in your 401(k) where they're not supposed to be, which could potentially lead to a 6% excess contribution penalty each year until corrected. You should contact your plan administrator immediately to request a distribution of the excess amount, even though it's late. Some penalties might still apply, but getting it corrected now is better than leaving it uncorrected.
One strategy your list is missing is using tax-loss harvesting from other investments to offset the capital gains from selling these funds. If you have any underperforming investments in your taxable accounts, you could sell those at a loss to offset some of the gains from your mutual funds. The tax code allows you to offset capital gains with capital losses dollar-for-dollar. And if your losses exceed your gains, you can use up to $3,000 of the excess to offset ordinary income, with any remaining losses carried forward to future years. For example, if you need to realize $50,000 in capital gains to transition these funds, but can realize $20,000 in losses from other investments, you'd only be taxed on $30,000 of gains.
I tried this approach last year but got burned by wash sale rules when I tried to buy back similar investments after selling for losses. Any tips on avoiding that pitfall while still maintaining market exposure?
The key to avoiding wash sale issues is to sell investments at a loss and then buy something similar but not "substantially identical" to maintain your market exposure. For example, if you sell an S&P 500 index fund from one provider at a loss, you could immediately buy an ETF that tracks a different but similar index (like a total US market ETF) to maintain similar exposure without triggering wash sale rules. Another approach is to use the 31-day waiting period strategically. You could sell the underwater investment, move temporarily into a broader market fund for 31 days, then move back into your preferred investment afterward. The temporary investment gives you market exposure during the waiting period. This works well if you're rebalancing anyway or if you're willing to accept a slightly different allocation for a month.
Has anyone calculated whether it's actually better over the long-term to just keep the active funds and pay the annual tax bills? I'm facing a similar choice and when I run the numbers, the tax hit from selling everything seems so large that it might take 8-10 years of ETF tax efficiency to break even. By then who knows what tax laws will be...
This is actually a really important point that many people miss. It depends heavily on your investment timeline and the performance difference between your current funds and the ETFs you're considering. If your active funds consistently outperform the ETFs by even a small margin, that could outweigh the tax efficiency advantage.
Just a heads up - IRS recently announced increased penalties for preparers who pull this kind of stuff. The "self-prepared" trick is actually super common and the IRS is cracking down on it hard. My advice? Take screenshots or photos of EVERYTHING related to this preparer - their office location, any business cards, the paperwork they gave your parents, texts or emails if you have them. The more evidence you can provide to the IRS the better. Also check if they have a PTIN (Preparer Tax Identification Number) - legitimate tax preparers are required to have one and include it on returns they prepare. Bet you anything this person doesn't have one or isn't including it to avoid accountability.
Thanks for the advice! I didn't even think about documenting the physical location. I'll definitely take pictures next time my parents go there. Do you know if there's a way to check if someone has a valid PTIN? I looked at the paperwork again and don't see any ID number for the preparer.
There's no public database where you can verify PTINs unfortunately. If the preparer didn't include their PTIN on the return where it asks for "Paid Preparer's Information," that's a violation of IRS requirements right there. Take photos of the office exterior, interior if possible, and any signage showing the business name. If they have a website or social media presence, screenshot those too - these operations sometimes disappear overnight when they get reported. Also, if your parents paid by anything other than cash, that bank or credit card statement is valuable evidence of them using this service.
Omg this happened to my sister last year! The "tax preparer" claimed she had a home office (she didn't) and business mileage for a non-existent business. She got a massive refund and was super happy until the IRS audit letter came 8 months later. She ended up having to pay back the refund PLUS penalties and interest. Just make sure your parents understand they're 100% responsible for what's on that return even if somebody else prepared it. The IRS doesn't care who filled it out - the person who signs it is on the hook.
Did your sister end up reporting the preparer too? Just curious if anything actually happens to these people when they get reported or if they just keep scamming others.
Adriana Cohn
Don't forget to check if either LLC has elected to be taxed as an S-Corp instead of a disregarded entity! That would change everything about how you'd file. Most single-member LLCs haven't made this election, but it's worth confirming before proceeding.
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Jace Caspullo
ā¢How would you know if they made this election? Is there specific paperwork they would have?
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Adriana Cohn
ā¢They should have filed Form 8832 (Entity Classification Election) and/or Form 2553 (Election by a Small Business Corporation) with the IRS if they made that choice. Ask your client if they ever filed these forms or received confirmation of S-Corp status from the IRS. Most small business owners remember making this election because it's a significant tax decision that usually involves discussing it with a tax professional first. They'd also have been filing very different tax forms in previous years - Form 1120-S instead of just including a Schedule C with their personal return. Plus, if they were an S-Corp, they should have been paying themselves a reasonable salary with payroll taxes.
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Melody Miles
Important thing nobody's mentioned yet - if they've been using QuickBooks or some other accounting software for these LLCs, make sure the accounts are properly set up to track expenses separately. I had a client with multiple businesses and they were mixing expenses between them, which made filling out the right schedules a nightmare!
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Nathaniel Mikhaylov
ā¢Omg yes this! I had a client put all their rental property repairs on the same credit card as their other business expenses and sorting it out took FOREVER.
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