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One important thing to know is that Roth IRAs have income limits for contributions too. For 2021, if you were single and had a modified AGI over $140k (or married filing jointly over $208k), you wouldn't have been eligible to contribute the full amount or possibly any amount to a Roth IRA. If your income was above those limits and you still contributed, you might have an excess contribution issue that would need to be addressed. The penalty for excess contributions is 6% of the excess amount for each year it remains in the account.
Thanks for pointing this out! My income was definitely below those limits in 2021 (around $65k) so I was eligible for the full contribution. I think I might have been confused about how much I actually contributed - just double checked and it was exactly $6k, not $8k like I initially wrote. My memory isn't what it used to be lol. If I'm understanding everyone correctly, since the Roth contribution doesn't affect my tax liability and my income was too high for the Saver's Credit but below the Roth income limits, there's really no benefit to amending my return. Does that sound right?
That's exactly right. If your contribution was $6k (within the limit), your income was below the Roth IRA income thresholds but above the Saver's Credit limit, there's really no reason to amend your return. The IRS already has the information from the Form 5498 that your financial institution filed, and since Roth contributions don't impact your tax liability, you're good to go. One less thing to worry about!
Another thing to consider - if you plan to do backdoor Roth conversions in the future, having accurate records of all your contributions becomes more important for tracking purposes. Even though it may not affect your taxes now, I recommend keeping good records of all your IRA contributions (both traditional and Roth) for future reference.
Can you explain what a "backdoor Roth conversion" is? I keep hearing about it but don't really understand the concept or why it matters for record keeping.
You might want to check your state tax withholding too. When my federal withholding got adjusted between multiple jobs, my state withholding also changed because many state systems piggyback on the federal withholding information. This might be especially important if you live in a high-tax state like CA, NY, or NJ.
Good point! I just checked and you're right - my state withholding also changed on my part-time job. I'm in Illinois, and it looks like they increased the state withholding percentage at the same time as the federal. Any specific suggestions for handling state withholding with multiple jobs? Is it similar to federal or do they have different rules?
State withholding generally follows similar principles to federal, but each state has its own specific forms and calculation methods. For Illinois, they use your federal allowances as a starting point for state withholding calculations. I'd recommend checking the Illinois Department of Revenue website for their withholding calculator or Form IL-W-4. Since both jobs are now withholding correctly, you might just need to make sure your additional withholding amount on your full-time job's W-4 is adjusted downward to account for the new withholding happening at your part-time job. The goal is to get your total withholding across both jobs to match your expected tax liability.
Has anyone else noticed that the FITWH on multiple jobs seems to be calculated weirdly this year? Like my second job is withholding at a much higher rate per dollar than my main job even though they both have the same W-4 settings? Is that normal?
That's actually by design! The 2020 W-4 redesign and IRS withholding tables are set up so that if you check the multiple jobs box, your second/lower paying job often has a higher withholding percentage. This is because the system assumes your first job already uses up your standard deduction and lower tax brackets, so additional income is taxed at higher marginal rates.
Just an FYI - the $4,700 limit for 2023 is indexed for inflation, which is why it seems so low. It doesn't apply if your dependent is a qualifying child (rather than qualifying relative) or if they're a full-time student under 24. For 2024, that limit is going up to $5,050. Still not much, but at least it's increasing. If your stepson decides to take some classes and becomes a full-time student, then the gross income test wouldn't apply at all.
Wait, so if he enrolled in college classes the income limit wouldn't matter? Even at a community college? My daughter works part-time making about $8k but she's taking 3 classes each semester.
That's correct! If your daughter is under 24 and a full-time student (generally defined as taking a full course load for at least 5 months of the year), then the gross income test doesn't apply for determining if she's your qualifying child. She would need to meet the other tests: relationship (your daughter, so check), residency (lived with you for more than half the year), age (under 19 or under 24 if full-time student), and support (you provide more than half her support). The number of classes determines full-time status according to the school's definition, so 3 classes might qualify if her school considers that full-time.
The whole dependent thing is super confusing. Last year I thought I could claim my 22yo son cause he lives at home and I pay for everything, but turbotax said no cause he made like $13k at his part-time job. but then my friend claimed her 20yo daughter who made $15k???
Have you checked if you received any one-time tax credits last year that weren't available this year? For example, there were some recovery rebate credits and expanded child tax credits in recent years that have since expired or changed. Also look at your adjusted gross income between the two years. Even a small increase could push you into a different tax bracket or phase out certain credits you qualified for previously.
I don't think I received any special credits last year - I don't have kids and didn't qualify for most of those pandemic-related things. My income did go up slightly (about $1,500 more than last year), but I didn't think that would make such a big difference. One thing I'm wondering about - I did start contributing to my company's 401k this past September. Would that affect my refund in any way? I'm putting in about 4% of my paycheck.
Your 401k contributions actually should have helped your tax situation, not hurt it. Those contributions reduce your taxable income, which typically means less tax overall. Since you started in September, you might not see the full annual benefit, but it definitely wouldn't cause your refund to decrease. Given all the information you've shared, it really does sound like the withholding change is the primary factor. The good news is that you didn't actually lose money - you just received it gradually throughout the year instead of in one lump sum. For next year, definitely submit a new W-4 requesting additional withholding if you prefer the larger refund approach to saving.
A similar thing happened to me and it was driving me crazy until I realized my previous employer had been over-withholding my taxes (taking too much out of each check). When I switched jobs, my new employer was withholding the correct amount, which was less per paycheck. Result: bigger paychecks through the year but a smaller refund. Check if anything changed with your W-4 or withholding status!
Paolo Ricci
There's actually a term for these shady preparers - they're called "ghost preparers" and the IRS has been warning about them for years. They often don't sign the returns they prepare (illegal), promise huge refunds based on fake information, and then disappear when the IRS comes calling. They target social media because they can reach lots of people quickly and disappear just as fast. Some red flags to watch for: - Promises of unusually large refunds - Fees based on percentage of your refund (illegal) - Won't sign the return as a preparer - No PTIN (Preparer Tax Identification Number) - No office address, just social media accounts - Suggesting you claim credits you don't qualify for
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Amina Toure
ā¢Do these ghost preparers ever get caught? Seems like they're scamming a lot of people and the IRS should be all over this.
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Paolo Ricci
ā¢Yes, the IRS does prosecute these preparers when they catch them, but it's challenging because many operate informally through social media and don't leave much of a paper trail. They often use temporary contact information, prepaid phones, and don't properly sign returns as preparers. The IRS has been conducting a nationwide crackdown on fraudulent preparers, with some high-profile prosecutions resulting in prison time and heavy fines. However, they can't catch everyone, which is why they focus on educating taxpayers about the risks. Remember, even if a preparer completes your return, YOU are legally responsible for all information on it and any resulting penalties.
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Oliver Zimmermann
Just wanted to add one thing - some of these large refunds could be legitimate if the person qualifies for refundable tax credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC). With multiple children and the right income level, the EITC can be worth thousands. The Child Tax Credit is also partially refundable. So not all big refunds are scams!
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CosmicCommander
ā¢That's true, but most people making $78K like OP wouldn't qualify for EITC, right? I think there's an income limit that's much lower.
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