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Just want to add from personal experience - I was in this exact situation after my husband passed. My 28-year-old daughter lived with me, had her own job and filed her taxes, but I still qualified for QSS status because: 1. I was eligible to file a joint return with my husband for the year he died 2. I didn't remarry before the end of the tax year 3. I maintained a household for my daughter (a qualifying person) 4. I provided more than half the cost of maintaining that household The confusion comes because people mix up "qualifying person" with "dependent." For QSS, you need a qualifying person, which has different rules than claiming a dependent! Hope this helps you and your mom!
Does this mean any child (regardless of age) can be a qualifying person for QSS as long as they live with you and you provide more than half their support? What about the gross income test that applies to dependents?
That's exactly right - for QSS purposes, a qualifying child can be any age as long as they're your child (including stepchild or adopted child), they lived with you for more than half the year, and you provided more than half their support. The gross income test that applies to dependents doesn't apply to the qualifying person test for QSS status. This is a key difference that causes confusion. Your adult child can have unlimited income and still be your qualifying person for QSS purposes, even if you can't claim them as a dependent because of their income.
I made a huge mistake last year after my wife passed. I filed as Single when I should have used QSS. My son (26) lives with me but I thought since he works full-time and filed his own taxes I couldn't use QSS. cost me almost $4,000 in extra taxes!!! Can I file an amended return to change my filing status from last year??
Absolutely! File Form 1040-X to amend your previous return. You generally have 3 years from the date you filed your original return (or 2 years from when you paid the tax, whichever is later) to file an amendment. Definitely worth doing for $4K!
Another tip - make sure to keep extremely detailed records of your attempts to get your employer to correct the W-2. The IRS might ask for this information. Each time you contact your employer, document: - Date and time - Who you spoke with (name and position) - What was discussed - Their response - Any follow-up promised If you're emailing, save all communications. If you're calling, take detailed notes. This documentation shows you made a good faith effort to resolve the issue before filing Form 4852.
Thanks for this advice. I have been keeping emails, but I hadn't thought to document the phone calls with this level of detail. Do I need to submit this documentation with my tax return or just keep it in case of questions later?
You don't need to submit the documentation with your tax return unless you're filing by mail and want to include it as supporting evidence. But definitely keep it in your records for at least 3 years (the standard IRS lookback period for audits). If the IRS does question the discrepancy between your Form 4852 and what your employer reported, having this documentation ready shows you weren't trying to misrepresent anything - you were actively trying to get the correct information but had to file with what you knew was accurate. It demonstrates good faith on your part.
One thing to consider - how big is the discrepancy in box 10 and 12? If it's relatively small, you might want to weigh whether it's worth the extra scrutiny that filing Form 4852 might bring.
That's terrible advice. You should NEVER file knowingly incorrect tax information, regardless of the amount. That's literally asking for problems down the road.
I wasn't suggesting filing incorrect information! I was suggesting evaluating whether the correction is material enough to warrant the extra steps. For example, if box 12 is off by $5 due to a rounding error, that's very different than if it's off by $5,000. The IRS itself has de minimis rules for certain reporting requirements. I'm not saying to ignore significant errors, just to consider whether the particular error materially affects tax liability before going through the Form 4852 process.
I've been a nanny for over 10 years and I can tell you that legitimate nannies PREFER to be W-2 employees! When families try to 1099 me, I explain that it's misclassification and actually costs me more in taxes (self-employment tax is 15.3% vs the 7.65% that each party pays for regular employment). Plus, as a W-2 employee I get unemployment protection, verifiable income for apartments/car loans, and proper Social Security credits. Being paid properly also means I'm covered by workers' comp if I get injured on the job. The families who do it right are the ones who keep great nannies long-term!
Do you ever help families set up the payroll stuff? My nanny keeps saying she wants to be "on the books" but neither of us know where to start.
I don't personally set it up for families, but I do point them toward resources. Many use household payroll services like HomePay, SurePayroll, or Poppins Payroll that specialize in nanny taxes. They handle all the paperwork, tax withholding, and filings for around $40-60/month. I also recommend they check the IRS Publication 926 (Household Employer's Tax Guide) which explains everything. Most families find that once they have a system set up, it's pretty easy to maintain and gives everyone peace of mind.
Just a quick tip - don't overlook state requirements too! Federal is just part of it. Depending on your state, you might also need: 1. State unemployment insurance account 2. Workers' compensation insurance 3. State-specific new hire reporting 4. Paid sick leave compliance We found this out the hard way after getting everything set up federally then realizing we had state obligations too.
One thing to consider: while the 199A section isn't technically required for C-Corp partners, some tax software will generate errors or warnings if those fields are left blank. In our practice, we sometimes just put zeros in those fields to avoid the software throwing validation errors during e-filing. It's annoying but sometimes easier than fighting with the software.
That's a great point about the tax software! Which software are you using that gives you trouble with blank 199A sections? I'm using ProSeries right now.
I've had this issue with both UltraTax and Lacerte in previous years. ProSeries is actually a bit better about this particular situation, but you might still get a "soft" warning that you can override. For ProSeries specifically, you can usually bypass these warnings without entering zeros, but I've found that checking the box that says "QBI Not Applicable" in the 199A section often prevents the warnings altogether. The software is getting better each year at recognizing these situations, but it's still not perfect.
Just my 2 cents from experience: Always check the instructions for Form 1065 for the current tax year. The IRS occasionally updates requirements and what wasn't required last year might be required this year. For tax year 2022, page 39 of the instructions specifically stated that if all partners are C corporations, you can skip most of Section 199A, but you still had to check a box indicating this situation applies. Haven't seen the 2023 instructions yet.
Paolo Conti
Just want to add something as someone who used to work for a state revenue department (not saying which one lol). States absolutely DO cross-reference business registrations with tax filings. If you have an active business license but aren't filing the corresponding tax returns, that automatically generates a flag in most systems. Also, if you're in a state with sales tax instead of income tax, they often look at industry averages. So if most businesses in your field report about 30% of revenue as taxable sales but you're only reporting 10%, that would likely trigger a review. Your competitor is playing a dangerous game - when (not if) he gets caught, they'll go back several years and the penalties can be brutal.
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Amina Sow
ā¢So exactly how far back can states go to collect back taxes? Is there like a statute of limitations or can they just go back forever if they catch someone who hasn't been filing?
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Paolo Conti
ā¢Most states have a statute of limitations of 3-7 years for ordinary tax assessment, but here's the catch: those time limits typically only start AFTER a return is filed. If someone never files at all, many states consider that an open window with no time limit. I've personally seen cases where the state went back 10+ years for non-filers. And the really painful part is that penalties and interest compound over time, so a relatively small original tax liability can grow into an enormous debt. I've seen $5,000 in original tax liability balloon to over $20,000 with penalties and interest when someone didn't file for several years.
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GalaxyGazer
I wondered this same thing when I started my Etsy shop in Tennessee (no income tax). I thought I was flying under the radar until I got a scary letter saying I hadn't filed my business personal property tax returns. Apparently someone from the state saw my Etsy shop, which lists my location, and cross-referenced it with their business tax database. I had to hire a tax pro to help me file back returns and negotiate the penalties down. Cost me almost $2,000 when the original taxes would have been like $300. Tell your friend to get compliant ASAP! Most states have voluntary disclosure programs where if you come forward before they catch you, they'll waive some penalties.
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Oliver Wagner
ā¢Really?? They found you just from your Etsy shop location? That's kind of terrifying. I've been selling on Etsy for like 2 years and haven't filed anything with my state. Do you think I should get an accountant or just start filing now going forward?
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