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Don't forget you'll need to file Form 8606 with your taxes to report the non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution and the conversion! This is super important for tracking your basis and avoiding double taxation. I messed this up the first time I did a backdoor Roth and had a nightmare sorting it out later.

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Jamal Carter

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Is Form 8606 complicated to fill out? I use TurboTax, will it automatically handle this for me?

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Form 8606 itself isn't too complicated, but you need to make sure you answer the questions correctly when using tax software. TurboTax will generate the form if you tell it you made non-deductible Traditional IRA contributions and did a conversion, but you need to be careful about how you enter everything. Make sure you indicate that your Traditional IRA contribution is NON-deductible (many people miss this). Then separately report the conversion to Roth. TurboTax should connect these events, but double-check the generated 8606 to ensure your basis is correctly tracked. It's also worth keeping your own records of these transactions since maintaining your non-deductible basis over years can get tricky if you do backdoor Roth contributions regularly.

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Great question! You're absolutely right that the backdoor Roth can help you get that remaining $2800 into a Roth account. The process is exactly as you described - contribute the $2800 to a Traditional IRA (as a non-deductible contribution since you're over the income limits for deductible contributions), then convert it to Roth. A few key points to keep in mind: 1. **Timing flexibility**: Yes, you can make both your direct Roth contribution ($4200) and your Traditional IRA contribution ($2800) up until the tax filing deadline in April 2026 for the 2025 tax year. The conversion itself can happen anytime and will be reported in the year you actually do it. 2. **Pro-rata rule**: If you have any existing pre-tax money in Traditional, SEP, or SIMPLE IRAs, this will complicate things. The IRS will treat part of your conversion as taxable based on the ratio of pre-tax to after-tax money across all your Traditional IRA accounts. 3. **Documentation**: Make sure to file Form 8606 to properly report the non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution and track your basis. This prevents you from being taxed twice on the same money. The backdoor Roth has become a widely accepted strategy, even though it technically wasn't explicitly designed by Congress. Many people in your situation use this exact approach to maximize their Roth contributions despite the income limits.

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Nia Wilson

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This is such a comprehensive breakdown, thank you! I'm in a similar phase-out situation and was getting overwhelmed by all the moving parts. Your point about the pro-rata rule is especially important - I almost made the mistake of assuming my backdoor conversion would be completely tax-free without considering my existing Traditional IRA balance. One quick follow-up question: when you mention that the conversion will be reported in the year you actually do it, does that mean if I make my 2025 Traditional IRA contribution in March 2026 but convert it in January 2027, the conversion would show up on my 2027 taxes? Just want to make sure I understand the timing correctly for tax planning purposes.

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Yuki Tanaka

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Hey there! I totally get your anxiety about this - I went through the same exact worry when I started freelancing last year. The good news is that everyone here is spot on: the 2018 W-9 is absolutely still current and valid! I actually had a similar panic moment and ended up calling the IRS directly (after waiting on hold forever) just to confirm. The agent told me that the October 2018 revision is still the most current version they have, and there haven't been any updates since then because the core information requirements haven't changed. What really helped calm my nerves was realizing that the W-9 is just an information-gathering form - you're not actually filing your taxes with it. Your client needs it to issue you a 1099 at year-end, but any mistakes can easily be corrected by submitting a new form marked "CORRECTED" if needed. Since you're new to freelancing like I was, here's what I wish someone had told me: focus on filling it out accurately rather than worrying about the form version. Make sure your legal name matches exactly what's on your tax return, double-check your SSN, and keep a copy for your own records. You're showing exactly the right instincts by being careful about tax matters - that attention to detail will definitely serve you well as you grow your freelancing business. But in this case, you can confidently fill out that 2018 form without any worries!

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Thank you for sharing your experience! It's so reassuring to hear from someone who actually called the IRS to confirm this - that takes dedication! I can't imagine waiting on hold forever just to ask about a form version, but I'm really glad you did because now the rest of us benefit from that official confirmation. Your point about the W-9 being just an information-gathering form rather than an actual tax filing really helps put this in perspective. I think I was catastrophizing and imagining worst-case scenarios where using the "wrong" form would somehow mess up my entire tax situation. The tip about being able to submit a corrected version if needed is also really helpful to know. It sounds like you went through the exact same anxiety spiral that I'm experiencing right now, so hearing that you came out just fine on the other side is incredibly comforting. I really appreciate you taking the time to share all these practical details and reassurances!

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I just want to echo what everyone else has said here - you're absolutely fine using that 2018 W-9! As a fellow newcomer to freelancing (I've been at it for about a year now), I completely understand the anxiety that comes with tax forms. Every single form feels like it could potentially cause major problems if you mess something up. What really helped me was learning that the IRS website actually shows the current revision date for all their forms. If you go to the official W-9 page, you'll see it still shows October 2018 as the most recent version. That gave me so much peace of mind when I was in your exact situation. One thing I'd add to all the great advice here: don't be afraid to ask your client questions if anything on the form seems unclear. I was initially worried that asking questions would make me seem unprofessional, but I've found that most clients actually appreciate it when you're thorough and want to get things right. Your instinct to double-check rather than just assume is exactly the kind of attention to detail that will help you succeed in freelancing. You've got this!

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Watch out with the whole "not reporting income" thing! I got audited last year for not reporting rental income from my cousin even though I was charging way below market (like $400 for a place worth $1200). The IRS said I still needed to report the income, I just couldn't claim losses beyond the income amount. Ended up paying penalties!

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Kiara Greene

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This is really helpful to know - I think a lot of people assume they can just not report below-market family rentals at all. Can you clarify what exactly you had to do to fix the situation? Did you end up having to treat it as a regular rental property going forward, or was there a specific way the IRS wanted you to handle the below-market aspect? I'm trying to figure out the safest approach for my own situation.

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This is really eye-opening - thank you for sharing your audit experience! I'm curious about the specifics too. When you say you had to report the income but couldn't claim losses beyond the income amount, does that mean you reported $400/month rental income and could only deduct up to $4,800 in expenses for the year? And were you still able to deduct mortgage interest and property taxes on Schedule A, or did those have to go against the rental income on Schedule E? I want to make sure I'm understanding the correct way to handle this situation.

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Alana Willis

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Based on the experiences shared here, it sounds like there's some conflicting information about how to handle below-market family rentals. The audit story from Ahooker-Equator is particularly concerning since it contradicts what Eve Freeman explained about not needing to report the income. I think the safest approach might be to document everything carefully and consider getting professional help. Has anyone actually consulted with a CPA or tax attorney about this specific situation? It seems like the rules might be more complex than what we can figure out from IRS publications alone, especially given the potential for audits. Also wondering if the relationship matters - like is renting to your father-in-law treated differently than renting to your own parent or sibling? The IRS definitions of "related party" can be pretty specific.

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Amaya Watson

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You're absolutely right about the conflicting information - it's really confusing when different people have had such different experiences! I'm also new to this community and dealing with a similar family rental situation with my brother. From what I'm gathering, it seems like the key might be in the details of each situation and how the IRS interprets "profit motive." The audit story definitely makes me nervous about just assuming we don't need to report anything. I think your suggestion about consulting a CPA is spot on. This seems like one of those areas where the general rules have a lot of exceptions and nuances that could really bite you if you get it wrong. Has anyone found a CPA who specializes in rental property tax issues? It might be worth the cost to get professional advice rather than risk an audit situation later. Also curious about the relationship question you raised - I've been assuming all family members are treated the same, but you're right that the IRS can be pretty specific about these definitions.

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One thing nobody's mentioned - if you use a credit card, your payment is considered "processed" on the day you submit it, even if it takes a couple days to actually hit your account. This saved me from a late payment penalty last year when I submitted my payment on April 15th though it didn't fully process until April 17th. The IRS uses the submission timestamp as your official payment date as long as the payment eventually clears.

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Is there any way to verify this? I'm cutting it close this year and worried about penalties.

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You can verify it directly on the IRS website. If you look at their official guidance on credit card payments, they state: "The payment date will be the date the charge is authorized and accepted." They also provide payment confirmation numbers immediately after processing, which serve as proof of your payment date. You can also call the IRS after a few days to confirm they've received your payment and the date it was credited to your account. In my experience, they accurately recorded my payment date as the submission date, not when it finally processed through my credit card.

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I've been using credit cards for tax payments for the past 3 years and wanted to share some additional tips based on my experience: 1. Set up account alerts on your credit card before making the payment - some processors can take 24-48 hours to show the pending charge, which can be nerve-wracking if you're not expecting it. 2. If you're using this strategy primarily for a welcome bonus (like your Amex), consider timing your payment earlier in the tax season rather than waiting until the deadline. This gives you more buffer time to resolve any potential issues. 3. Keep a copy of your tax return along with the payment confirmation - I had one year where the IRS applied my payment to the wrong tax period, and having both documents made it much easier to get corrected. For your specific situation with the Blue Cash Everyday, that's a great card for this strategy since it has no annual fee. Just make sure the processing fee doesn't eat into too much of your welcome bonus value. In my calculations, as long as the welcome bonus is worth more than about 3x the processing fee, it's usually worth doing. Good luck with whichever processor you choose!

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Carmen Ortiz

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to using credit cards for tax payments and hadn't thought about setting up account alerts beforehand. That's a great point about the pending charges taking time to show up - I would definitely be checking my account obsessively wondering if something went wrong. Your tip about timing the payment earlier in tax season is smart too. I was planning to wait until closer to the deadline, but you're right that having more time to fix any issues would be worth the peace of mind. Thanks for sharing your experience with the IRS applying payments to the wrong period - I'll definitely keep copies of everything just in case. Do you have a preference between the three processors based on your 3 years of experience, or have they all worked about the same for you?

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Olivia Clark

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Connor, congratulations on your first job! The movie theater is a great place to start - I worked at one in high school and loved it. You've gotten some really solid advice here. Based on your expected earnings of $7,800-$10,400 annually, you should qualify to claim exempt from federal withholding since you're under the $13,850 threshold as a dependent. A few additional things to keep in mind: - Make sure you understand the difference between claiming "exempt" and claiming "0" allowances. Exempt means NO federal income tax is withheld, while 0 allowances means maximum withholding. - Your employer should provide you with both the federal W-4 and Illinois IL-W-4 forms since you mentioned you're in Illinois - Don't forget that movie theaters often get really busy during summer blockbuster season and holidays - if you end up working way more hours than expected, you can always submit a new W-4 to start having taxes withheld The most important thing is that you're asking the right questions before filling out the forms. That shows you're being responsible about this! Even if you make a mistake, it's easily correctable, and based on your projected income, you're unlikely to face any major tax issues. Good luck with the new job!

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Isaac Wright

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This is all really great advice! As someone who's completely new to all this tax stuff, it's reassuring to see that so many people have been in similar situations. The point about movie theaters getting busier during blockbuster season is something I hadn't thought about - I should definitely keep an eye on my total hours. One thing I'm still a bit confused about - if I do claim exempt on my federal W-4 but still have to pay Illinois state taxes, will that make filing my tax return more complicated next year? Like, will I need to file both federal and state returns, or is it all done together? Also, @AstroAlpha, regarding your question about saving money - I'd love to hear more about that too! I'm trying to figure out the balance between saving for a car and having some spending money for the first time in my life. Thanks everyone for being so helpful with a newcomer's questions!

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Ellie Lopez

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Isaac, great questions! Yes, you'll need to file both federal and state tax returns if you have Illinois income, but it's not as complicated as it sounds. Most tax software (like TurboTax, H&R Block, or even free options like IRS Free File) will handle both returns together - you enter your information once and it prepares both forms. Since you'll likely have simple tax situations (just W-2 income, standard deduction), it should be pretty straightforward. Regarding the saving question that both you and AstroAlpha asked - I'd recommend the "pay yourself first" approach. Try to save at least 20% of each paycheck if possible, split between: - Emergency fund (even $500-1000 is a great start) - Car fund (since you mentioned wanting one) - "Fun money" for things you want So if you're making around $200/week, try to save $40 ($20 for car, $15 for emergency fund, $5 for fun purchases). It might seem like a lot at first, but starting this habit early will pay off huge later. Plus, having some money set aside means you won't stress if your hours get cut or if you do end up owing a small amount in taxes. The key is finding a balance that doesn't make you feel deprived but still builds good financial habits. Your future self will thank you!

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Jamal Harris

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This is such practical advice, Ellie! The "pay yourself first" approach makes a lot of sense, especially breaking it down into specific categories like that. I never thought about splitting savings between emergency fund, car fund, and fun money - that makes it feel more manageable than just trying to save some random amount. The 20% target seems reasonable too. Even if I can't hit that right away while I'm getting used to having income, it gives me something concrete to work toward. And you're right about building habits early - my older cousin always talks about wishing he'd started saving when he got his first job instead of spending everything. Thanks for the reassurance about tax filing too! I was picturing having to fill out a bunch of complicated separate forms, but knowing that tax software handles both federal and state together makes it seem way less intimidating. @Isaac Wright - looks like we re'both learning a lot from this thread! Hope your first job goes well too.

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