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Connor O'Neill

First job at 17 - am I exempt from tax withholding on my W-4 form?

Hey everyone, I just landed my first job at the local movie theater (so excited but also nervous!). I'm 17 and when they gave me all the paperwork to fill out, I got to the W-4 form and got confused. Someone at school mentioned that teenagers don't have to have taxes taken out of their paychecks? Is that true? Am I exempt from tax withholding on my W-4 since I'm under 18? I really don't want to mess this up and either owe a bunch of money later or have too much taken from my checks if I don't need to. Any help would be super appreciated!!

LunarEclipse

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You might be exempt, but it depends on a few things - not just your age. Being 17 doesn't automatically make you exempt from tax withholding. You'd qualify as exempt if: 1) Last year you had a right to a refund of ALL federal income tax withheld because you had no tax liability, and 2) This year you expect to have no federal income tax liability. The key factor is how much you'll earn in total for the year. For 2024, if you're being claimed as a dependent (which I'm guessing your parents are doing), you can earn up to $13,850 without owing federal income tax. If you'll make less than that at your movie theater job, you could qualify to claim exempt. But be careful - if you work enough hours or get a decent hourly rate, you might go over that threshold, especially if you work through the school year.

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Thanks for the info! I'm planning to work about 15-20 hours a week at $10/hour, so I guess that would be around $7,800-$10,400 for the year if I keep the same hours. My parents do claim me as a dependent. So it sounds like I might be below that $13,850 threshold?

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LunarEclipse

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Based on those numbers, you'd likely earn between $7,800-$10,400 annually, which is indeed below the $13,850 threshold for dependents. So you would probably qualify to claim exempt on your W-4. Just remember that if your situation changes - like if you get a raise, work more hours, or get a second job - you'll need to redo your W-4. Also, even if you're exempt from federal income tax withholding, you'll still have Social Security and Medicare taxes (FICA) taken out of your paycheck. Those are required regardless of age or income level.

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FireflyDreams

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Don't forget about state taxes too! Everyone here is talking about federal, but depending on which state you live in, the rules for state income tax withholding might be different. Some states follow the federal guidelines, but others have their own thresholds and forms.

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Oh man I didn't even think about state taxes! I'm in Illinois if that helps? Do I need to fill out a separate form for state taxes or is it all covered by the W-4?

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FireflyDreams

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Illinois does have state income tax, and they use the IL-W-4 form which is separate from your federal W-4. The good news is that Illinois has a flat tax rate (currently 4.95%), which makes things simpler. For Illinois, the exemption rules are a bit different from federal. Even if you qualify as exempt from federal withholding, you may still need to have Illinois state tax withheld. I'd recommend asking your employer for the IL-W-4 form if they haven't given you one already. In fact, they're required to have you complete both forms.

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One thing nobody mentioned - if you claim exempt, you have to submit a new W-4 by February 15 next year to continue the exemption. The exempt status expires!!! I learned this the hard way when my first paycheck in March had a huge chunk taken out cause my exempt status expired and defaulted to the highest withholding 😭

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This is super important advice! My brother had the same thing happen and was shocked when his paycheck was suddenly way smaller. The W-4 exemption is only good for one calendar year.

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Great question Connor! I went through the same confusion when I started my first job at 16. Based on what others have shared here, it sounds like you're likely in a good position to claim exempt since your projected earnings ($7,800-$10,400) are well below the $13,850 threshold for dependents. Just wanted to add a few practical tips from my experience: 1. Keep track of your actual hours and earnings as you go - if you end up working more than expected (like picking up extra shifts during busy movie seasons), you might need to update your W-4 2. Even though you'll likely be exempt from federal income tax withholding, you'll still see Social Security and Medicare taxes come out - that's normal and required 3. Save some money anyway! Even if you don't owe federal taxes, it's good to start building that habit Also, don't stress too much about "messing up" - the W-4 can be changed anytime if your situation changes. Your HR department at the theater should be able to help you submit a new one if needed. Good luck with your new job!

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AstroAlpha

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This is such helpful advice, Aisha! I'm actually in a similar situation - just turned 17 and starting my first job next week at a retail store. The part about tracking hours is really smart because I know they'll probably ask me to work more during back-to-school season and holidays. One question though - when you say "save some money anyway," do you mean save part of each paycheck, or set aside money specifically for taxes just in case? I'm trying to figure out how much of my paychecks I should be putting away versus spending on stuff I need (like saving for a car). @Connor O'Neill - congrats on the movie theater job! That sounds like it would be a fun first job. Hope the W-4 stuff works out smoothly for you!

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Olivia Clark

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Connor, congratulations on your first job! The movie theater is a great place to start - I worked at one in high school and loved it. You've gotten some really solid advice here. Based on your expected earnings of $7,800-$10,400 annually, you should qualify to claim exempt from federal withholding since you're under the $13,850 threshold as a dependent. A few additional things to keep in mind: - Make sure you understand the difference between claiming "exempt" and claiming "0" allowances. Exempt means NO federal income tax is withheld, while 0 allowances means maximum withholding. - Your employer should provide you with both the federal W-4 and Illinois IL-W-4 forms since you mentioned you're in Illinois - Don't forget that movie theaters often get really busy during summer blockbuster season and holidays - if you end up working way more hours than expected, you can always submit a new W-4 to start having taxes withheld The most important thing is that you're asking the right questions before filling out the forms. That shows you're being responsible about this! Even if you make a mistake, it's easily correctable, and based on your projected income, you're unlikely to face any major tax issues. Good luck with the new job!

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Isaac Wright

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This is all really great advice! As someone who's completely new to all this tax stuff, it's reassuring to see that so many people have been in similar situations. The point about movie theaters getting busier during blockbuster season is something I hadn't thought about - I should definitely keep an eye on my total hours. One thing I'm still a bit confused about - if I do claim exempt on my federal W-4 but still have to pay Illinois state taxes, will that make filing my tax return more complicated next year? Like, will I need to file both federal and state returns, or is it all done together? Also, @AstroAlpha, regarding your question about saving money - I'd love to hear more about that too! I'm trying to figure out the balance between saving for a car and having some spending money for the first time in my life. Thanks everyone for being so helpful with a newcomer's questions!

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Ellie Lopez

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Isaac, great questions! Yes, you'll need to file both federal and state tax returns if you have Illinois income, but it's not as complicated as it sounds. Most tax software (like TurboTax, H&R Block, or even free options like IRS Free File) will handle both returns together - you enter your information once and it prepares both forms. Since you'll likely have simple tax situations (just W-2 income, standard deduction), it should be pretty straightforward. Regarding the saving question that both you and AstroAlpha asked - I'd recommend the "pay yourself first" approach. Try to save at least 20% of each paycheck if possible, split between: - Emergency fund (even $500-1000 is a great start) - Car fund (since you mentioned wanting one) - "Fun money" for things you want So if you're making around $200/week, try to save $40 ($20 for car, $15 for emergency fund, $5 for fun purchases). It might seem like a lot at first, but starting this habit early will pay off huge later. Plus, having some money set aside means you won't stress if your hours get cut or if you do end up owing a small amount in taxes. The key is finding a balance that doesn't make you feel deprived but still builds good financial habits. Your future self will thank you!

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Jamal Harris

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This is such practical advice, Ellie! The "pay yourself first" approach makes a lot of sense, especially breaking it down into specific categories like that. I never thought about splitting savings between emergency fund, car fund, and fun money - that makes it feel more manageable than just trying to save some random amount. The 20% target seems reasonable too. Even if I can't hit that right away while I'm getting used to having income, it gives me something concrete to work toward. And you're right about building habits early - my older cousin always talks about wishing he'd started saving when he got his first job instead of spending everything. Thanks for the reassurance about tax filing too! I was picturing having to fill out a bunch of complicated separate forms, but knowing that tax software handles both federal and state together makes it seem way less intimidating. @Isaac Wright - looks like we re'both learning a lot from this thread! Hope your first job goes well too.

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