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Dananyl Lear

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Just wanted to add another perspective as a tax preparer - this question comes up a lot with my clients. The most important thing is consistent treatment. If you're treating the gift card as not taxable income when you receive it (which is generally correct for promotional gift cards), then you should only deduct the $40 you actually paid out of pocket. If you deduct the full $290 purchase price, you're essentially getting a double benefit - tax-free income AND a deduction for money you never spent from your taxable income. In an audit, this could be problematic.

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Honorah King

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That's interesting because it contradicts what others are saying. So if I understand correctly, either I should: 1) Count the $250 gift card as taxable income AND deduct the full $290 expense, or 2) Not count the gift card as income AND only deduct the $40 I paid. Is that right? Which approach would be better for my situation?

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Dananyl Lear

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You've got it exactly right - those are the two consistent approaches. If you're asking which is better, it typically depends on your specific tax situation. Option 1 (count card as income + full deduction) usually works better for businesses with significant expenses and deductions already, as the additional deduction value ($250) would likely exceed the tax impact of the additional income. This is especially true if you have business losses or are in a low tax bracket. Option 2 (no income + partial deduction) is generally simpler and often preferred for smaller side businesses or if you're in a higher tax bracket where additional income could push you into a higher rate. Since promotional gift cards are generally not considered taxable income, this approach is administratively easier and avoids potentially triggering an unnecessary audit flag.

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Anyone know if this applies to credit card reward points used for business purchases too? I sometimes use my Chase points to buy office supplies and never thought about whether I can deduct the full purchase price or just what I pay after points.

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Ana Rusula

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Credit card points are generally treated differently than promotional gift cards. The IRS typically views credit card rewards as rebates on purchases you've already made (which is why they're not taxable income). So if you redeem points for a business purchase, you can only deduct your actual out-of-pocket cost after the points are applied. But it gets more complicated if you're using a personal credit card for business purchases and then using the reward points for business items. You might need to allocate the value of the points based on what percentage of your card spending was for business vs. personal.

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Mason Lopez

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One thing nobody's mentioned - check if your state has additional LLC filing requirements beyond federal taxes! I use TurboTax on my Mac for my consulting LLC and it handles the federal stuff great, but my state (California) has an annual $800 LLC fee that TurboTax doesn't automatically prompt you about. Had to file that separately and nearly missed it my first year. Also, if you're making $58k, definitely look into setting up a SEP IRA or Solo 401k to reduce your tax burden. TurboTax can handle these but doesn't always make it obvious that it's an option.

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Pedro Sawyer

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That's a really good point about state requirements. I'm in Colorado - does anyone know if there are specific requirements here I should watch out for? And what's the difference between SEP IRA vs Solo 401k in terms of setup complexity in TurboTax?

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Mason Lopez

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Colorado has an annual report requirement called a "Periodic Report" that costs $10 to file online. It's due in the anniversary month of your LLC's formation. It's not a tax form, but a filing with the Secretary of State's office to keep your LLC in good standing. TurboTax won't remind you about this. For retirement accounts, a SEP IRA is simpler to set up in TurboTax - just a few questions and you're done. A Solo 401k gives you potentially higher contribution limits, especially if you want to make both employer and employee contributions, but requires more paperwork outside of TurboTax and you'll need to file Form 5500-EZ once your balance exceeds $250,000. For your income level, a SEP IRA is probably simpler to start with.

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Vera Visnjic

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Has anybody else had issues with TurboTax not saving their data between sessions on Mac? I was halfway through my LLC taxes last year and when I came back to finish, some of my business expense categories were empty! Had to re-enter everything. Wondering if it's a Mac-specific bug or just me.

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I had a similar issue but fixed it by making sure I was completely exiting the program properly (not just closing the window). Also, make sure your Mac isn't going into any kind of deep sleep mode between sessions. I started using the save feature obsessively after losing data once - hit save after every major section.

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Millie Long

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I went through this exact scenario last year with my father-in-law. We decided to get a new EIN for my wife since she's the biological daughter. It was super straightforward - just filled out the SS-4 form online and got the EIN immediately. Then we set everything up with her as the employer on paper. For what it's worth, our accountant told us this was the safest approach because it makes it 100% clear that she's employing her parent, which cleanly qualifies for the exemption. Using my EIN might have worked too, but could potentially raise questions if we ever got audited.

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KaiEsmeralda

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How much extra paperwork did that create for you? Like did you have to file separate tax forms for your wife's "business" or was it all still included in your joint return?

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Millie Long

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It didn't create much extra paperwork at all. Even though my wife had her own EIN for the household employee (her father), we still filed everything on our joint return. We just used Schedule H to report the household employment taxes, and made sure to note her EIN on the form rather than mine. The Schedule H gets attached to your joint 1040 regardless of which spouse is technically the employer. The only real difference is whose name and EIN appear on the W-2 you issue to the employee. So there was no separate business filing or anything complicated - just making sure the right EIN was used on the forms.

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Debra Bai

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Just want to add something that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you consider workers' comp insurance regardless of which tax exemptions apply. Many states require it even for household employees, and the parent exemption for FUTA/FICA doesn't necessarily exempt you from state workers' comp requirements. We learned this the hard way when we hired my mom as a nanny. We correctly handled the federal tax exemptions but completely missed that our state still required workers' comp coverage. Had to pay some penalties to get that straightened out.

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Great point! Do you remember where you got your workers comp policy from? I'm trying to figure out where to get one for our household employee.

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Have you considered the Credit for Other Dependents? It's different from the Child Tax Credit and specifically designed for dependents who don't qualify for the CTC, including those without SSNs. It's worth $500 per qualifying dependent. Your children would still need ITINs, but this credit was created specifically for taxpayers in situations like yours. You'll need to file Form 8862 along with your return to claim it.

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Paolo Longo

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Is the Credit for Other Dependents the same as the Foreign Dependent Credit mentioned earlier? Or are these two different credits I could potentially claim? And would my children still need to meet the residency test to qualify for this credit?

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The Credit for Other Dependents is the official name of what some people call the Foreign Dependent Credit. They're the same thing - a $500 credit for dependents who don't qualify for the full Child Tax Credit. This is exactly what was created for situations like yours. No, your children don't need to meet the US residency test for this credit, which is why it works for dependents living abroad. They still need to qualify as your dependents under tax law, meaning you provide more than half their support. You'll claim this on your Form 1040 in the same section where the Child Tax Credit would be, but you'll indicate they qualify for this $500 credit instead.

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StarSurfer

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My tax preparer told me that if your kids visit you in the US for at least 31 days during the year, you might be able to claim them for the full Child Tax Credit. Has anyone tried this approach?

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That's incorrect advice and could get you in trouble. The IRS residency test requires the child to have the same principal residence as the taxpayer for more than half the year (183+ days). A 31-day visit doesn't meet this requirement.

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Diego Fisher

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Another tax benefit angle to consider for your investor clients - if they have properties that have been sitting on the market for a while before staging, make sure they know they can potentially deduct carrying costs during that period (mortgage interest, property taxes, utilities, etc.) as ordinary expenses rather than adding them to basis. Adding professional staging services often shortens time on market, which can actually increase their effective ROI by reducing these carrying costs. My tax advisor pointed this out last year, and when I did the math, I realized that staging actually "paid for itself" in tax benefits from reduced carrying costs, even before considering the higher sale price. Make sure your clients are tracking these time periods carefully!

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This is interesting - does this apply even if the property is unoccupied during renovation? I have a couple properties that sit empty for 2-3 months during renovations before I stage them and list them. Can I deduct those carrying costs as ordinary expenses too?

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Diego Fisher

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Yes, it absolutely applies during renovation periods too! The key distinction is whether the property is "held for sale" or "held for production of income" during that time. During active renovation periods for a flip property, the property is considered to be in preparation for sale, so those carrying costs (mortgage interest, property taxes, utilities, insurance, etc.) can generally be deducted as ordinary expenses rather than being capitalized into the basis. This is especially true if you're considered a "dealer" for tax purposes rather than just an investor.

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Something nobody's mentioned yet is the timing of when you stage the property can affect the tax treatment. If staging is done as part of the initial renovation/prep work, some tax pros will advise capitalizing it as part of your basis. But if it's done after the property is otherwise ready for sale, it's more clearly a selling expense. I actually changed my business practice based on this - I now complete ALL renovation work first, take dated photos of the completed unstaged property, THEN bring in staging as a separate distinct marketing phase. This creates a clearer paper trail showing staging as a selling expense rather than a capital improvement.

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That's a really smart approach! Do you have any issues with the IRS questioning this distinction? I'm worried about having my staging expenses disallowed if audited.

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I've been doing this for 6 years now and haven't had any issues with the IRS. The key is documentation and consistency. I keep a clear project timeline for each property that shows when renovation was completed and when staging began. I also make sure my staging invoices are separate from any contractor or renovation invoices, with clear dates. It's also important to have a consistent business practice. I don't try to treat similar expenses differently on different properties. I've developed a written business policy that explains my approach to staging as a marketing expense, which would help demonstrate my intent if ever questioned during an audit.

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