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Have you tried using the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator? It's free and pretty accurate: https://www.irs.gov/individuals/tax-withholding-estimator I used it last year after getting a new job. You need some info handy (like your most recent paystubs for both you and your spouse), but it walks you through everything step by step and gives you exact numbers to put on your W-4.
I tried that calculator but got confused halfway through. Do you know if it's better than just checking the box in Step 2? My situation is pretty straightforward - just two jobs, no kids, standard deduction.
For a straightforward situation like yours (two jobs, similar income levels, no kids), checking the box in Step 2(c) on both W-4s should work fine. The calculator is more beneficial if you have a more complex situation with kids, multiple income sources, or if you itemize deductions. The box method is designed to withhold enough for two similarly-paying jobs. If you want to be extra cautious, you could put a small additional amount ($20-50 per paycheck) in Step 4(c) for additional withholding, but it's probably not necessary with your income levels.
Just be careful with your withholding no matter what you choose! My husband and I both work and we messed up our W-4s last year. We each claimed the standard deduction on our separate forms (big mistake) and ended up owing $4,300 at tax time!!! Make sure you only claim things on ONE of your W-4s, not both. That was our costly mistake.
That's actually not how the new W-4 works. You don't "claim" the standard deduction on the form anymore. The new form automatically incorporates the standard deduction into the withholding calculations. The old form with allowances is gone.
One tip from someone who does this every year - if you do make a credit card payment, print and save the confirmation page! The payment processors (not the IRS directly) will give you a confirmation number. I've had situations where the payment took longer than expected to post to my IRS account, and having that confirmation number was crucial. The IRS can look it up even if it hasn't fully processed in their system yet. Also, be aware that different payment processors charge different fees. Last I checked, Pay1040.com had the lowest fee at 1.87%, while some others charge closer to 2%. Not a huge difference, but if you're making a large payment it can add up.
Do you happen to know how long it typically takes for a credit card payment to show up in the IRS system? I need to make a payment ASAP but my electronic withdrawal is scheduled for next week.
In my experience, credit card payments typically take 3-5 business days to show up in the IRS system. However, the payment is considered made on the day you submit it, not when it appears in the IRS records - so you're protected from late payment penalties as long as you complete the transaction by the due date. If your electronic withdrawal is scheduled for next week, I'd recommend making your credit card payment immediately. Even if it doesn't show in the system before the withdrawal date, you can contact the IRS with your confirmation number if there's any issue with double payment. They can always refund overpayments, though it might take some time to process.
Just a warning - I tried doing something similar last year and thought I was being clever by using my credit card for the rewards points. Make sure you do the math on the fees vs. rewards! The 1.87-1.98% fee ended up being slightly more than the value of my credit card points (I get 1.5% cash back). Only makes sense if you're trying to hit a sign-up bonus or have a card with really good rewards rate. Also, if you're cutting it close to the payment deadline, remember that credit card payments are considered timely based on when you submit them, not when the IRS processes them. Just keep your confirmation number as proof.
Good point about doing the math. Some premium travel cards give effectively 2-2.5% value for points when transferred to airline partners though, which can make it worthwhile even with the fees. I always use my Chase Sapphire Reserve for tax payments specifically because the points are worth more than the fees.
Has anyone tried checking bank records? Last year the IRS's stupid tracker still said "processing" THREE DAYS AFTER the money hit my account. I'd recommend logging into your bank account to check pending deposits too, not just relying on the tracker.
This!!! Same thing happened to me two years ago. The WMR never updated past "approved" but the money showed up in my account. Their systems don't communicate well with each other.
Exactly! Their systems are so outdated and disconnected from each other. Sometimes the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing. I've also noticed that if you're getting your refund via direct deposit, it sometimes shows up as pending in your bank account 1-2 days before the official deposit date the IRS gives you. Another tip: if you're using a tax preparation service like TurboTax or H&R Block and chose to have your fees taken out of your refund, your money actually goes through a third-party bank first, which can add 1-2 more days to the process. That might explain some delays too.
Anyone else notice the IRS seems to prioritize people who OWE money over people who are due refunds? My husband filed the same day as me, he owed $850 and his return was processed in 3 days. Meanwhile I'm due a $2,300 refund and I've been waiting for 23 days now with no updates. Just sayin'...
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you're documenting everything for tax purposes, especially if this is your first backdoor Roth. You'll need to file Form 8606 to report the non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution. Then when you do the conversion, you'll receive a 1099-R the following January that you'll need for your taxes. I messed this up my first year and had to file an amended return. The IRS initially tried to tax my conversion as if the entire amount was taxable income, which completely defeats the purpose of the backdoor strategy.
Thanks for mentioning the Form 8606! Would I need to file that for the tax year when I make the contribution to the Traditional IRA, or for the tax year when I do the conversion to Roth? If I contribute now but don't convert until next year, which tax year would it fall under?
You need to file Form 8606 for the tax year in which you make the non-deductible contribution to your Traditional IRA. This establishes your "basis" (after-tax money) in the IRA. If you contribute now (2023 tax year) but don't convert until next year (2024), you would still report the non-deductible contribution on Form 8606 with your 2023 tax return. Then when you do the conversion in 2024, you'd receive a 1099-R for that tax year, and you'd file another Form 8606 with your 2024 return to report the conversion. This is why keeping good records is so important - you need to track your basis over time, especially if you don't convert immediately after contributing.
Has anyone actually done the backdoor Roth with E*TRADE? Vanguard seems like a hassle from what everyone's saying. I'm thinking about opening my accounts somewhere else to avoid these customer service headaches.
Santiago Martinez
Have you considered just learning how to properly handle the backdoor Roth yourself? Form 8606 isn't that complicated once you understand the basic concept. I've been doing my own backdoor Roth for 4 years now and honestly it takes me about 10 extra minutes in TurboTax. There are some great step-by-step guides online. The key things to remember: 1) Report the non-deductible traditional IRA contribution first 2) Then report the conversion to Roth separately 3) Make sure you have no other traditional IRA balances to avoid pro-rata complications Most tax preparers at chain places aren't trained for anything beyond basic returns.
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Samantha Johnson
โขEven with guides, I always worry about missing something important. Does TurboTax actually guide you through the backdoor Roth process well? Which version do you need to handle this correctly?
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Santiago Martinez
โขTurboTax Premier handles backdoor Roth conversions well. The software will ask if you made contributions to a traditional IRA, and you indicate they were non-deductible. Later, it asks about conversions to Roth IRAs. Just make sure you have the exact dates and amounts for both transactions. The most important thing is understanding the concept beforehand so you recognize if something doesn't look right. The software generates Form 8606 automatically, but I always review it to ensure it shows the non-deductible contribution basis correctly. Many online guides show what the completed form should look like for comparison.
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Nick Kravitz
i used the same tax prep chain for years and they were ok for simple returns but last year i started a side business and they totally messed up my schedule c. charged me $290 and didnt even know what business expenses i could deduct!!!! ended up redoing it myself with taxact and found over $2100 in deductions they missed. these places are just glorified data entry clerks using the same software we can buy ourselves lol
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Hannah White
โขI had the exact opposite experience. Found a local CPA who specializes in small businesses and she found so many legitimate deductions I didn't know about. Sometimes it's worth paying more for actual expertise instead of the chains. Maybe try searching for someone who specifically works with your industry?
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