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The 401k overcontribution issue happened to me too! The way I handled it in TurboTax was: 1. Enter the 1099-R you received for the returned excess 2. Make sure you check that it was a "return of excess contributions" 3. The earnings portion (if any) is taxable in the year you receive it TurboTax has a specific workflow for this but their "experts" apparently don't know about it. Try searching "excess contribution" in the TurboTax help section instead of asking their live people.
Thanks for this! Where exactly is that option? I searched around but couldn't find the specific "return of excess contributions" checkbox.
When you enter the 1099-R information, there should be a question about the type of distribution. One of the options is "return of excess contributions." It's in the section where you're entering the distribution code from Box 7. If you've already entered it differently, you can go back and edit the 1099-R entry. Look for "Your Income" in the left sidebar, then find the 1099-R entry and click on it to edit. The option should appear during the workflow.
Pro tip: Skip TurboTax's live help and just call the IRS directly with questions like these. Despite what people think, the IRS phone representatives are actually pretty helpful and give correct information (when you can actually get through). For the 1099-R rollover question, that's literally their job to answer correctly, unlike some random TurboTax contractor who might be in their first tax season.
Call the IRS directly? Lol good luck with that. I tried calling 8 times this season and either got disconnected or told the wait time was 2+ hours. Never actually spoke to anyone.
One thing nobody mentioned yet - make sure you have a solid Operating Agreement that specifies how profits and losses are allocated. Without this, the IRS assumes equal distribution regardless of who contributed what. Also, consider if you want to make a special allocation for tax purposes. For example, if one partner contributed more startup capital, you might want to allocate more of the initial losses to them (if applicable). But be aware that special allocations need to have "substantial economic effect" to be respected by the IRS. This gets complicated fast, so you might want professional help with this part.
We do have an operating agreement, but it's pretty basic and just says we split everything equally. Is that sufficient? Also, what exactly is "substantial economic effect" and how do we know if our allocations meet that requirement?
Your basic agreement splitting everything equally is actually the simplest approach for IRS purposes, so that's fine. "Substantial economic effect" is the IRS's way of ensuring that tax allocations reflect economic reality. Basically, tax benefits should go to the partner who actually bears the economic burden or receives the economic benefit. For example, if your agreement said Partner A gets 90% of the tax losses but only 10% of the actual profits when you sell or liquidate the business, the IRS would likely reject that as lacking substantial economic effect. The partner getting the tax benefits must also bear the economic consequences. When you allocate everything equally, this usually isn't an issue unless you have complex arrangements like guaranteed payments or preferred returns.
Has anyone handled QBI (Qualified Business Income) deduction with partnerships? My accountant says partnership income qualifies but I'm confused about how it passes through to personal returns.
Yes, partnership income can qualify for the QBI deduction (Section 199A). The partnership doesn't take the deduction itself - it's calculated and claimed on each partner's individual return based on their share of qualified business income. The partnership will provide information on each partner's K-1 about qualified business income, W-2 wages paid by the business, and qualified property. Partners then use this information on Form 8995 or 8995-A on their personal returns to calculate their deduction. The deduction can be up to 20% of QBI, subject to limitations based on taxable income, business type, and W-2 wages/qualified property.
One important thing no one has mentioned yet is that you should check if the statute of limitations has expired for that 2016 tax year. Generally, the IRS has 3 years from the date you filed to assess additional tax, so if you filed on time in April 2017, the assessment period would have ended in April 2020. However, there are exceptions - if they can show substantial underreporting (over 25% of your income), the limit extends to 6 years. And there's no limit if they can prove fraud, but that doesn't sound like your situation. When exactly did you receive this notice? If it was after April 2020 and you don't fall into one of the exception categories, you might have a solid case based on the statute of limitations alone.
That's an excellent point I hadn't considered! I received the notice in January 2023, so well past the 3-year mark. I definitely didn't underreport by 25% (my income was all W-2 and reported correctly), and there's certainly no fraud involved. Is there a specific way I need to raise the statute of limitations issue in my appeal? And do I need to provide any specific evidence to support this argument?
If you received the notice in January 2023 for tax year 2016, and you filed on time in 2017, then you absolutely should raise the statute of limitations issue in your appeal. This could potentially resolve the entire 2016 dispute in your favor. In your appeal, you should specifically state: "I am disputing this assessment on the grounds that it violates the statute of limitations under IRC Section 6501(a), which provides a three-year limitation period for assessment of additional tax." Include a copy of your 2016 tax return or transcript showing when it was filed, and request that the assessment be abated in full due to the expiration of the assessment statute. If for some reason the IRS claims one of the exceptions applies, they have the burden of proof to demonstrate that. But based on what you've described (W-2 income, standard deduction), it's unlikely they can justify a six-year statute of limitations.
I just want to add that if you decide to handle this yourself, document EVERYTHING. Every call, letter, and interaction with the IRS should be recorded with date, time, the name of the person you spoke with, and what was discussed. If you call the IRS, always ask for a reference number for the call. This has saved me multiple times when the IRS later tried to claim they had no record of previous conversations. Also, send everything via certified mail with return receipt requested. The IRS is notorious for "losing" documents, and having proof of delivery has been crucial in my past dealings with them.
This is such important advice! I learned this the hard way. I had an issue similar to OP's and the IRS claimed they never received my response to their initial notice, even though I mailed it. I didn't have proof of mailing, so I was stuck starting the whole process over again and lost my first-level appeal opportunity. Now I use certified mail for everything and scan copies of all documents before sending them. I also take screenshots of any online submissions or confirmations.
3 I found my tax attorney through my regular CPA. They often have networks of specialists they refer to for specific tax issues. Also check with the Tax Law Association in your state - they usually have directories of members with their specialties listed. For innocent spouse claims specifically, look for attorneys who have experience with the IRS Appeals process since many of these cases end up there. Former IRS attorneys sometimes specialize in this area after leaving government service.
19 I second this. I found a great tax attorney through my accountant. One thing I'd add is to make sure they have experience specifically with the type of issue you're dealing with. My first attorney was good with business tax but not so much with innocent spouse relief, which is what I needed.
3 Absolutely true. Tax attorneys often develop niche specialties within tax law. Some focus primarily on offshore reporting issues, others on employment tax, and some specifically on innocent spouse relief or offer in compromise cases. When interviewing potential attorneys, ask them what percentage of their practice involves innocent spouse cases specifically. If it's less than 15-20%, keep looking. Also, ask if they've handled cases with the specific IRS service center that will be processing your case, as procedures can vary slightly between locations.
21 Has anyone tried those tax resolution companies that advertise on the radio all the time? They keep talking about "pennies on the dollar" settlements and I'm wondering if they're legitimate or just scams.
4 Most of those national tax resolution firms that advertise heavily make unrealistic promises. The "pennies on the dollar" settlements (called Offers in Compromise) are quite rare and have very specific qualifying criteria - most people don't qualify. These companies often charge large upfront fees ($5,000+) and then do very little actual work. Many employ salespeople rather than tax professionals for initial consultations, and they're incentivized to tell you what you want to hear. I've had many clients come to me after wasting thousands with these services.
Freya Larsen
To actually answer your solo 401k question with a specific citation - check IRC section 401(c)(2)(A) which defines earned income for self-employed individuals, and 1.401(k)-1(a)(4)(ii) of the Treasury Regulations which specifically allows self-employed individuals to make employee deferrals based on this earned income. The confusion comes because the tax code uses weird terminology. For a sole prop, you're technically both the "employer" and the "employee" even though you don't pay yourself a W-2 salary. Your contribution limit as an "employee" is the standard 401k limit ($22,500 in 2023, $23,000 in 2024, plus catch-up if eligible), capped at your net earnings. The "employer" contribution is up to 25% of your net earnings after deducting half of SE tax. Fun fact: the IRS does refer to Schedule C income as your "compensation" for retirement plan purposes even though it's not technically compensation in the W-2 sense.
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Amina Diop
ā¢Thank you so much for the exact citations! This is exactly what I was looking for. One follow-up question: when calculating the 25% employer contribution limit, do I need to reduce my Schedule C net profit by the amount of any employee contributions I make first? Or is it 25% of the total net profit?
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Freya Larsen
ā¢Great question. You calculate the 25% employer contribution limit based on your net self-employment income AFTER deducting your employee deferral contributions. So the calculation order is: 1) Start with Schedule C net profit, 2) Subtract half of self-employment tax, 3) Subtract your employee deferral contribution, 4) Calculate 25% of this resulting amount for your maximum employer contribution. This ensures you're not "double-dipping" on the employee contribution portion. This is outlined in IRS Publication 560, but it's definitely one of the more confusing aspects of solo 401k planning. The employer contribution is effectively limited to around 20% of your original Schedule C net profit when you factor in all these adjustments.
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Omar Hassan
Has anyone mentioned the record keeping headache of having multiple solo 401ks??? I have three separate business activities and originally had separate 401ks for each. HUGE mistake. The Form 5500 filing requirements alone made me consolidate everything. If your businesses are truly separate, then yes get separate EINs. But consider using ONE 401k plan that covers all your businesses. Most providers like Fidelity or Vanguard can handle this - you just need to make sure the plan documents indicate it covers all your sole proprietorships. This way you get the administrative simplicity of one plan while still maintaining separate business identities. Just make sure you track contributions from each business separately for your own records. The IRS doesn't care which business made which contribution as long as the total stays under your combined limit.
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Chloe Taylor
ā¢That's interesting advice about having one 401k plan for multiple businesses. Do you need to file anything special with the IRS to indicate that the plan covers multiple sole proprietorships? Or do you just need to make sure the plan documents are set up that way with the provider?
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