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Zoe Wang

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About the refund advance loans - I used one last year through H&R Block and had a pretty negative experience. The marketing made it sound like it was free money while waiting for my refund, but I ended up paying about $150 in tax prep fees that I could have avoided by filing myself online. They also only approved me for about 25% of my expected refund amount ($500 on a $2000 refund), which didn't really help much with my immediate needs. Then when my actual refund came through, it was delayed another week because of how they process the advance repayment. If you're truly desperate for cash immediately it might help, but I'd honestly recommend looking into other short-term options first. Maybe even a low-interest credit card could be better depending on your situation.

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Thanks for sharing your experience. Did they tell you upfront how much of your refund you'd get as an advance? I'm trying to figure out if I can count on getting a specific amount or if it's just whatever they decide to give you.

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Zoe Wang

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They didn't tell me the advance amount until after they'd prepared my taxes and I was basically ready to file. That's part of what felt deceptive - by that point I'd already spent an hour in their office and felt pressured to just go with it. From what I've gathered since then, most of these companies only advance between 25-50% of your expected refund. The exact amount seems to depend on your refund size, filing status, and probably some internal risk assessment they do. Definitely ask upfront about their typical advance percentages before committing to anything.

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Some free tax filing options like FreeTaxUSA and Credit Karma Tax (now Cash App Taxes) sometimes offer their own versions of refund advances without the high fees of places like H&R Block. Worth checking those out before going to a storefront preparer. As for the dependent question - I believe the expanded child tax credit they're discussing would be for 2023 taxes (filed in 2024), not for this current filing season. So waiting probably won't help for this year's taxes. Generally, tax changes don't apply retroactively to already-completed tax years.

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Grace Durand

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Credit Karma Tax (Cash App Taxes) isn't offering refund advances this year from what I can see on their website. I think TurboTax still has one though. Has anyone used TurboTax's refund advance?

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You're right - I just checked and it seems Cash App Taxes discontinued their advance program. TurboTax is still offering advances through a partnership with First Century Bank, but you have to pay for one of their paid versions to qualify. Another option worth considering is filing early without taking an advance, then setting up direct deposit for your refund. The IRS typically processes e-filed returns with direct deposit within 21 days, sometimes faster. While not as immediate as an advance, it's free and you get your full refund amount without fees.

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One approach I've used with stubborn clients is to put everything in writing. Send an email clearly stating that you've advised them of their legal obligation to file, including citations to specific IRS publications, and that they're choosing to ignore professional advice. Make it clear you won't be associated with the decision not to file. This does two things: 1) Sometimes seeing it in formal writing makes it "real" for them, and 2) It protects you if they ever try to claim you advised them not to file.

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Yara Nassar

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Wouldn't sending an email like that basically guarantee you'll lose the client though? It sounds so confrontational. Is there a gentler way to document this while still maintaining the relationship?

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It doesn't have to be confrontational at all. I frame it as a summary of our discussion and my recommendations. Something like: "As we discussed, based on your business income of $43,000, IRS Publication XXX indicates you're required to file Schedule C and pay self-employment taxes. I understand you're considering not filing based on advice from a friend, but I wanted to document my professional recommendation to ensure you have accurate information for your decision." Most clients actually appreciate the clarity, and it often leads them to reconsider rather than lose the relationship. If they do choose to leave over this, they were likely going to be a professional liability anyway.

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My previous accountant didn't file my self-employment taxes for the first year of my business because of this exact myth. Fast forward 3 years, and I got hit with a CP2000 notice, penalties, and interest that totaled almost $12,000. The IRS knew about my income because my clients had filed 1099s. Tell your client that the IRS's computer systems automatically match 1099s with tax returns, and discrepancies get flagged. If her customers or payment processors are issuing 1099s (which they legally must do for payments over $600), the IRS WILL know about her income.

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Oh man that's rough! Did you end up having to pay all of that? Were you able to get any of the penalties removed since it was your accountant's bad advice?

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Nia Davis

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Just want to emphasize that if you can pay the full amount within 180 days, definitely go with the short-term payment plan! No setup fee and you can do it all online at IRS.gov. I did this last year and it was surprisingly easy. Also, don't forget that if you're getting a state refund, you might want to wait and see how much that is before deciding how much to pay upfront. My state refund covered about 1/3 of what I owed to the feds.

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Omar Zaki

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Thanks for the tip about the state refund! I didn't even think about that. I'm expecting about $700 back from my state, so that would definitely help reduce what I need to finance. Based on everyone's advice, I think I'll make a payment now of whatever I can afford and then set up a short-term payment plan. Seems like the consensus is not to wait until April 15th!

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Nia Davis

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You're welcome! Yes, using your state refund toward your federal tax debt is a smart move. And definitely don't wait until April - not only will the phone lines be jammed, but you'll be accruing interest on the full amount in the meantime. One more tip: if you set up a payment plan but then find you can pay it off faster than expected, there's no penalty for paying early. I ended up getting a small bonus at work and was able to clear my tax debt in 3 months instead of the 6 I had planned for.

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Mateo Perez

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Has anyone here had experience with requesting a reduced amount through an Offer in Compromise? I've heard the IRS will sometimes accept less than the full amount if you can prove financial hardship.

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Chloe Taylor

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Offers in Compromise are pretty hard to get approved. The IRS only accepts them if they genuinely believe they cannot collect the full amount from you either now or in the foreseeable future. You have to provide extensive documentation of your assets, income, expenses, etc. For a tax debt of $7,420 like the OP has, it's unlikely to be worth pursuing unless they're facing severe financial hardship. The application fee alone is $205 (though it can be waived for low-income taxpayers), and you have to submit a significant payment with your offer.

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Here's a useful tip I learned when dealing with Roth conversions: you should always get a statement from your 401k plan administrator before doing a mega backdoor Roth that clearly shows your after-tax contributions separate from earnings. Makes this whole process so much easier. If anyone's wondering, the reason the 1099-R shows "taxable amount not determined" is because the IRA custodian has no way of knowing your basis in the original 401k. They're essentially telling the IRS "we don't know what portion of this was already taxed.

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Ayla Kumar

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What if my plan administrator doesn't provide that kind of detailed statement? My quarterly statements don't clearly separate the after-tax contributions from the growth. Is there another way to figure out my basis?

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You can request a specialized basis statement from your 401k administrator - most have a specific form for this purpose. If they truly can't provide it (which would be unusual), you can reconstruct your basis by adding up all the after-tax contributions from your pay stubs or by looking at your W-2s. Box 12 of your W-2s won't include after-tax contributions (only pre-tax), so the difference between your total contributions and what's reported in Box 12 can help establish your after-tax amount. I'd also recommend calling the administrator directly. Sometimes the regular customer service reps don't know about these specialized reports, but if you ask specifically for a "basis statement" or "after-tax contribution history," they'll direct you to the right department.

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Anybody else think it's ridiculous that we have to jump through all these hoops just to correctly report something the IRS and financial institutions should be tracking properly? If I'm missing a field or form, I get penalized, but they can just stamp "taxable amount not determined" and make it our problem šŸ™„

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100% agree!! I spent like 6 hours trying to figure this out for my mega backdoor last year. And then my tax software wanted to charge me an extra $50 just to unlock the forms I needed to do it right. The whole system is designed to make us mess up so they can collect penalties.

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Something else to consider that nobody's mentioned - if you have investments in your home country, filing as a resident alien might subject you to complicated PFIC (Passive Foreign Investment Company) rules if you own foreign mutual funds. The tax and reporting requirements are BRUTAL - we're talking potential tax rates up to 50%+ and super complex form 8621 filings. I had to restructure my entire investment portfolio after learning about this. Just something to be aware of if you have investment accounts back home.

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Yuki Ito

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This is exactly the kind of hidden issue I was worried about! Does anyone know if there are similar traps for retirement accounts in your home country? I have something similar to a 401k back in my country.

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For retirement accounts, it depends on the country and whether there's a tax treaty that provides specific provisions for retirement accounts. Some countries have treaties that allow certain foreign retirement accounts to maintain tax-deferred status in the US, similar to how a 401k works. For example, the US-UK tax treaty recognizes certain UK pension schemes. Without a treaty, your foreign retirement account might be treated as a regular investment account or possibly even as a PFIC or foreign trust, which comes with complex reporting. I'd recommend checking if there's a tax treaty between the US and your home country with provisions for retirement accounts.

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There's also the substantial presence test to consider. If you're claiming the closer connection exception, make sure you're actually eligible for it. You have to be in the US less than 183 days in the current year AND maintain a tax home in a foreign country AND have a closer connection to that foreign country. I thought I qualified last year but miscounted my days (didn't realize day of entry AND exit both count as US days) and ended up having to amend my return which was a huge headache.

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The day counting rules are so confusing! Do business trips count the same as vacation days? And what about if you're just connecting through a US airport on the way somewhere else?

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Business trips and vacation days both count the same for the substantial presence test - any day you're physically present in the US counts as a day (with some rare exceptions like if you're unable to leave due to a medical condition that developed while in the US). For airport connections, if you're just transiting through the US and don't actually go through immigration and enter the country (staying in the international transit area), then those days don't count. But if you do go through US immigration even just for a connecting flight, that day counts as a US day for the substantial presence test.

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