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To actually answer your solo 401k question with a specific citation - check IRC section 401(c)(2)(A) which defines earned income for self-employed individuals, and 1.401(k)-1(a)(4)(ii) of the Treasury Regulations which specifically allows self-employed individuals to make employee deferrals based on this earned income. The confusion comes because the tax code uses weird terminology. For a sole prop, you're technically both the "employer" and the "employee" even though you don't pay yourself a W-2 salary. Your contribution limit as an "employee" is the standard 401k limit ($22,500 in 2023, $23,000 in 2024, plus catch-up if eligible), capped at your net earnings. The "employer" contribution is up to 25% of your net earnings after deducting half of SE tax. Fun fact: the IRS does refer to Schedule C income as your "compensation" for retirement plan purposes even though it's not technically compensation in the W-2 sense.
Thank you so much for the exact citations! This is exactly what I was looking for. One follow-up question: when calculating the 25% employer contribution limit, do I need to reduce my Schedule C net profit by the amount of any employee contributions I make first? Or is it 25% of the total net profit?
Great question. You calculate the 25% employer contribution limit based on your net self-employment income AFTER deducting your employee deferral contributions. So the calculation order is: 1) Start with Schedule C net profit, 2) Subtract half of self-employment tax, 3) Subtract your employee deferral contribution, 4) Calculate 25% of this resulting amount for your maximum employer contribution. This ensures you're not "double-dipping" on the employee contribution portion. This is outlined in IRS Publication 560, but it's definitely one of the more confusing aspects of solo 401k planning. The employer contribution is effectively limited to around 20% of your original Schedule C net profit when you factor in all these adjustments.
Has anyone mentioned the record keeping headache of having multiple solo 401ks??? I have three separate business activities and originally had separate 401ks for each. HUGE mistake. The Form 5500 filing requirements alone made me consolidate everything. If your businesses are truly separate, then yes get separate EINs. But consider using ONE 401k plan that covers all your businesses. Most providers like Fidelity or Vanguard can handle this - you just need to make sure the plan documents indicate it covers all your sole proprietorships. This way you get the administrative simplicity of one plan while still maintaining separate business identities. Just make sure you track contributions from each business separately for your own records. The IRS doesn't care which business made which contribution as long as the total stays under your combined limit.
That's interesting advice about having one 401k plan for multiple businesses. Do you need to file anything special with the IRS to indicate that the plan covers multiple sole proprietorships? Or do you just need to make sure the plan documents are set up that way with the provider?
For future reference, whenever you start a second job mid-year, you should always adjust your W-4 withholding. There's a specific checkbox on the W-4 form for multiple jobs that helps account for this exact situation. Most people skip this section not realizing how important it is.
Is it too late to do anything about it for this year's taxes? Or am I just stuck with the lower refund?
For this year's taxes, you're unfortunately stuck with the current situation. The withholding already happened in 2024, and you can't retroactively change it. However, you can absolutely prevent this from happening again. Fill out a new W-4 for both jobs right away, making sure to check the multiple jobs box or complete the multiple jobs worksheet. This will ensure the proper amount is withheld going forward and you won't have another surprise next tax season.
Has anyone tried using a different tax software? Sometimes TurboTax can be confusing with how it displays refund changes. I switched to FreeTaxUSA last year and found it was much clearer about explaining why my refund amount changed when adding forms.
Something that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you're thinking about selling your home in the future, be careful with home office depreciation. When you sell, you'll have to "recapture" the depreciation you took on the business portion, even if you qualify for the primary residence exclusion on the rest of the home. I learned this the hard way!
Whoa I had no idea about the "recapture" thing! What exactly does that mean? Would we have to pay back all the tax savings from the depreciation when we sell the house?
You don't exactly "pay back" the tax savings, but the amount you depreciated gets taxed when you sell. For example, if you depreciated $20,000 of your home office over the years, that $20,000 would be subject to depreciation recapture tax (typically at 25%) when you sell, even if the rest of your home sale qualifies for the capital gains exclusion. So you'd pay around $5,000 in recapture tax on that $20,000 of depreciation. The benefit is that you got tax deductions spread over many years, which usually outweighs this future tax. This is why proper record-keeping is crucial - you need to track all the depreciation you claim to calculate this correctly when you eventually sell.
Question for anyone who uses TurboTax - where exactly do you input the home office info? I'm trying to help my sister with her taxes and she's confused about how to claim depreciation for the space she uses for her Etsy business.
In TurboTax, you enter it through the business income section under Schedule C. When you get to the expenses part, there's a specific section for "Business use of home." It'll ask for the total square footage of your home and the square footage used exclusively for business. Then it will walk you through either the simplified method (standard $5 per sq ft up to 300 sq ft) or the regular method where you enter actual expenses including depreciation.
The 401k overcontribution issue happened to me too! The way I handled it in TurboTax was: 1. Enter the 1099-R you received for the returned excess 2. Make sure you check that it was a "return of excess contributions" 3. The earnings portion (if any) is taxable in the year you receive it TurboTax has a specific workflow for this but their "experts" apparently don't know about it. Try searching "excess contribution" in the TurboTax help section instead of asking their live people.
Thanks for this! Where exactly is that option? I searched around but couldn't find the specific "return of excess contributions" checkbox.
When you enter the 1099-R information, there should be a question about the type of distribution. One of the options is "return of excess contributions." It's in the section where you're entering the distribution code from Box 7. If you've already entered it differently, you can go back and edit the 1099-R entry. Look for "Your Income" in the left sidebar, then find the 1099-R entry and click on it to edit. The option should appear during the workflow.
Pro tip: Skip TurboTax's live help and just call the IRS directly with questions like these. Despite what people think, the IRS phone representatives are actually pretty helpful and give correct information (when you can actually get through). For the 1099-R rollover question, that's literally their job to answer correctly, unlike some random TurboTax contractor who might be in their first tax season.
Call the IRS directly? Lol good luck with that. I tried calling 8 times this season and either got disconnected or told the wait time was 2+ hours. Never actually spoke to anyone.
Yara Nassar
Something else to consider - the W-4 form changed significantly a couple years ago. It no longer uses allowances (0, 1, 2, etc). Instead, there's a multiple jobs worksheet or you can use their online calculator. If you're still thinking in terms of "claiming 0" you might be using outdated forms or concepts. The new W-4 has a specific section for multiple jobs that helps account for exactly your situation. Check if your employers are using the current form and if you've filled it out correctly for your multiple income streams.
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Sofia Morales
ā¢That's really helpful - I didn't realize the W-4 had changed that much! I haven't actually updated my W-4 in about 3 years, so that could definitely be part of the problem. Is there a specific line or section on the new form I should pay attention to for my situation?
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Yara Nassar
ā¢The most important part for your situation is Step 2 of the new W-4 form. It gives you three options for handling multiple jobs: (a) using their online calculator for most accuracy, (b) using the Multiple Jobs Worksheet on page 3 of the form, or (c) a simplified method if you have only two jobs with similar pay. Since you have three jobs with different pay levels, option (a) using the Tax Withholding Estimator on the IRS website would be your best bet. It's more detailed than the worksheet and will account for your specific situation. The calculator will tell you exactly what to put on line 4(c) of your W-4 for additional withholding. Just make sure you have recent pay stubs from all three jobs when you use it.
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Keisha Williams
Has anyone mentioned the "two-earner/multiple job" worksheet yet? When I worked 3 part-time jobs during grad school, my tax person showed me this worksheet on the W-4. It helped a ton with calculating the right withholding. Not sure if it still exists with the new W-4 format tho.
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Paolo Ricci
ā¢The multiple jobs worksheet still exists but it's been revised. It's now part of Step 2 on the new W-4 form. It's actually more comprehensive than the old version but a bit more complicated to fill out. I found the online withholding calculator easier to use than the paper worksheet since it does all the calculations for you.
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