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Just my two cents: we were in almost the exact situation (wife employed, me self-employed with student loans). We did the math both ways and filing jointly saved us about $3,200 overall even tho my student loan payment went up by about $75/month. The tax credits for our kid plus better tax brackets made joint filing way better.
Thanks so much for sharing your experience! That's really helpful. Did you guys use any specific software to compare both options? I'm worried about making a mistake if I try to calculate everything manually.
We used TurboTax and just ran through the process twice - once for joint and once for separate. It was tedious but worth it. I'd definitely recommend using some kind of tax software that lets you save different scenarios. The student loan part was trickier - had to use the loan servicer's calculator separately to figure out how much payments would change under each filing status.
Something nobody mentioned yet - if you file separately, you BOTH have to either take the standard deduction or BOTH itemize. You can't have one person itemize and the other take standard. This really messed us up one year with our mortgage interest.
This is such an important point! We got hit with this last year and had to file an amendment. Cost us extra in prep fees and delayed our refund by months.
Just want to add one important point nobody mentioned yet - if you withdraw from your Roth IRA to pay these taxes, you'll be creating even MORE tax problems for yourself! You can withdraw contributions without penalty, but if you touch any earnings before retirement age (with some exceptions), you'll pay a 10% penalty PLUS regular income tax on those earnings. Your best bet is to leave the Roth alone and set up a payment plan with the IRS. The interest rate is usually better than what you'd effectively lose by raiding your retirement funds early.
Omg thank you for mentioning this! I didn't realize there was a difference between withdrawing contributions vs earnings from my Roth. Is there an easy way to tell which is which when I go to make a withdrawal? And yeah I'll definitely try for the payment plan route first!
Your Roth IRA provider should be able to tell you exactly how much of your account balance is from contributions versus earnings. Generally, withdrawals come from contributions first, so if you've contributed more than you're planning to withdraw, you should be able to take that amount out without tax consequences. For example, if you've put in $12,000 over the years and your account is now worth $14,000, you can withdraw up to $12,000 penalty-free. Just contact your provider before making any withdrawals to confirm the exact amount of your contributions. And definitely pursue that payment plan with the IRS - they offer reasonable terms, especially for first-time issues.
Has anyone here actually amended returns for scholarship income from past years? I'm wondering what the process was like. Did you get hit with huge penalties or was the IRS understanding about it?
I amended returns for 2 years of unreported scholarship income about 3 years ago. The process wasn't as bad as I expected. I used Form 1040-X for federal and had to fill out amended state returns too. The IRS charged interest on the unpaid taxes (inevitable), but I qualified for First Time Penalty Abatement which saved me hundreds in failure-to-file penalties. I wrote a letter explaining that I genuinely didn't understand scholarships were taxable, and they were pretty reasonable. Set up a payment plan for $150/month and it's almost paid off now.
This might sound obvious, but have you tried calling your real estate agent or title company? When I sold my house last year, they were the ones who handled all the withholding. My agent had all the documentation with the state ID number and emailed it to me in like 10 minutes when I asked. Might be worth a try before going through more complicated options!
I second this! My closing agent was super helpful when I had a similar question. Sometimes the simplest solution is best.
I didn't even think of that! I just emailed my agent and she got back to me right away. You're right - she had everything on file and sent me the state withholding form with the ID number clearly printed at the top. I was definitely overthinking this whole thing. Thanks for suggesting the obvious solution that I completely missed! Just finished my taxes and everything went through perfectly.
Just be careful that you enter the state ID number in the correct format in TurboTax. Mine had dashes that needed to be included exactly as shown on the document. When I first entered it without the dashes, TurboTax gave me an error. Also make sure you're not confusing it with the transaction ID number, which is different.
I had the opposite problem! TurboTax kept rejecting my entry when I included the dashes, but accepted it when I removed them. Seems like it might vary by state.
That's so strange! Must definitely depend on the state then. I'm in Illinois - where are you located? Maybe we should specify which states have which requirements when sharing advice like this. I guess the safest approach is to try both with and without special characters if the first attempt gets rejected. TurboTax isn't always clear about the exact format they want for these state-specific entries.
Just FYI, the enhanced child tax credit for 2021 was part of the American Rescue Plan. The amount was $3,600 for kids under 6 and $3,000 for kids 6-17. Half of it was supposed to be sent as monthly payments from July-December 2021, and the other half claimed when filing taxes. If you didn't receive the monthly payments (many people opted out or had issues with the system), you should have claimed the full amount on your 2021 return. If you didn't, then filing a 1040-X amended return is definitely the way to go!
Do you know if there's any way to check if you already received the payments? It's been so long I honestly can't remember if we got those monthly deposits or not.
Yes, you can check if you received the advance payments by creating or logging into your online account at IRS.gov. Look for the "Child Tax Credit Update Portal" or check your account for 2021 payments. You can also request a 2021 account transcript from the IRS which will show all transactions, including any advance Child Tax Credit payments that were sent to you. If you can't access the online system, you can call the IRS or file Form 4506-T to request the transcript by mail.
I was in the exact same situation!!! The letter you got was probably a CP-08 notice. Don't ignore it like I did at first! I ended up filing an amended return through TurboTax and it was actually pretty easy. Just log into your TurboTax account, find your 2021 return, and look for the option to amend. Make sure you have your kids' SSNs and birth dates handy. Also any documents showing they lived with you in 2021 (school records, medical records, etc) in case the IRS asks for verification later.
How long did your amendment take to process? I heard the IRS is super backed up with processing amended returns.
Ava Johnson
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you look into the EITC (Earned Income Tax Credit) rules too if you're going to claim them. There are special rules for claiming EITC with qualifying children, and the disability status might actually help you qualify for more. Plus don't forget about the Child Tax Credit and the Credit for Other Dependents. When I claimed my niece who has special needs, I got way more back than I expected because of these credits. Just make sure you have documentation of their diagnosis and any expenses related to their care.
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Liam O'Donnell
ā¢Thanks for mentioning this! Do you know if I would qualify for the Child Tax Credit specifically, or would it be the Credit for Other Dependents since I'm the grandparent, not the parent? Also, would my daughter still be able to get the disability benefits if I claim the kids on my taxes?
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Ava Johnson
ā¢You can potentially qualify for the Child Tax Credit even as a grandparent! The relationship test for the CTC includes grandchildren. As long as they meet the other tests (lived with you more than half the year, you provided more than half their support, they're under 17, etc.), you can claim the full Child Tax Credit, which is worth much more than the Credit for Other Dependents. Your daughter can continue receiving the disability benefits for the children regardless of who claims them on taxes. The tax dependency status and disability benefits eligibility are separate systems. The important thing is that you're actually using the majority of resources (including your own money plus a portion of those benefits) to support the children.
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Miguel Diaz
Has anyone dealt with the autistic dependent situation specifically? My grandson is also on the spectrum and I found there are additional tax benefits I qualified for, like the Child and Dependent Care Credit if you pay for specialized care while you work. Also, some therapy expenses might qualify as medical expenses if you itemize deductions instead of taking the standard deduction.
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Zainab Ahmed
ā¢Yes! We claim my wife's brother who has autism and we deduct a lot of his therapy expenses as medical expenses. If their medical expenses exceed 7.5% of your AGI, you can itemize and deduct them. Also look into FSA or HSA accounts to pay for these expenses pre-tax if possible.
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