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One thing to consider is taking out a loan to pay the taxes if the interest rate would be lower than IRS penalties. I had a similar issue (owed about $18k) and took out a personal loan at 8.9% to pay it off, which was better than the combined IRS penalties and interest. Credit unions sometimes offer decent rates for this kind of thing, or you might qualify for a 0% intro APR credit card that could buy you 12-15 months to sort things out.
Wouldn't a HELOC be even better if they own a home? The rates are usually much lower than personal loans.
Yes, a HELOC would definitely be better if you own a home with sufficient equity. The rates are typically much lower than personal loans, often in the 4-6% range currently. Plus the interest might be tax-deductible if you use it for home improvements (though not for paying taxes). I suggested a personal loan because many traders who get caught in this situation are younger and might not own property yet. But you're absolutely right that a HELOC is a better option if available.
Has anyone mentioned Form 9465? That's the Installment Agreement Request. You can setup a plan for up to 72 months.
One major factor I haven't seen mentioned yet is the inflation adjustment to tax brackets. In 2022-2023, inflation was running hot, but the IRS bracket adjustments are based on earlier data. So even though your nominal income went up, your real purchasing power might not have increased proportionally. This phenomenon is called "bracket creep" and it can definitely make your tax bill feel higher even when tax laws haven't changed. Also, if you received any forgiveness of PPP loans in earlier years, that created an artificially lower tax situation that has now normalized, making the current tax environment feel more painful by comparison.
Can you explain bracket creep more simply? I kinda get it but not really. Does this mean we should expect the same thing to happen for 2024 taxes?
Bracket creep happens when inflation pushes your income into higher tax brackets, even though your actual purchasing power hasn't increased. For example, if you made $100,000 in 2021 and $108,000 in 2022 (an 8% increase), you might think you're 8% richer. But if inflation was also 8%, your real purchasing power stayed the same - yet you might be paying taxes at a higher rate because you crossed into a higher bracket. For 2024, the brackets were adjusted by 7.1% for inflation, which is pretty substantial. This should help reduce bracket creep compared to 2022-2023. However, if your income grows faster than that adjustment, you could still experience some bracket creep effect. The key is to look at your effective tax rate (total tax divided by total income) rather than just the dollar amount to see if you're truly paying a higher percentage.
Has anyone else noticed that the cost of health insurance premiums for self-employed people went way up in 2022 and 2023? That might also be contributing to the cash flow crunch. I know my premiums went up about 23% over those two years, which ate into my available funds even though it's technically deductible.
Absolutely this! My health insurance premiums jumped by almost 30% between 2021 and 2023. And while yes, we can deduct them, that deduction only helps on income tax, not self-employment tax. So we're still paying 15.3% SE tax on money that immediately goes out the door to health insurance.
I'm a bookkeeper for several small businesses, and I see this 1099-NEC issue from the other side all the time. Sometimes the error happens because the accounting software counts all invoices created during the year, not just the ones that were paid. Another possibility: did you have any expenses that the client reimbursed you for? Some clients incorrectly include expense reimbursements in 1099 totals, which they shouldn't if those were legitimate business expense reimbursements. I'd suggest checking your invoices against the client's records. It might be that they're counting an invoice you sent in December that didn't actually get paid until January 2025, which would belong on next year's 1099.
OMG you might be onto something with the reimbursements! I did have about $1,500 in travel expenses that they reimbursed me for when I had to fly to their headquarters for a big project. I didn't count those as income in my records because they were just covering my costs. Is that what's causing the discrepancy?
That's almost certainly the issue then! The $1,500 in reimbursed expenses plus your $7,830 in actual income equals $9,330, which is very close to the $9,450 they reported (the remaining $120 difference could be a calculation error or another small reimbursement you're forgetting). Reimbursed expenses should NOT be included on your 1099-NEC if they were legitimate business expenses. The client should issue a corrected 1099-NEC showing only the $7,830 in actual service income. If they included the reimbursements, they're reporting it incorrectly. Take this explanation to your client and specifically point out that expense reimbursements shouldn't be on the 1099-NEC. Many small businesses don't realize this and their accountants might not catch it if they're just given total payment figures.
Question about this situation - I have the opposite problem. My client UNDER-reported on my 1099-NEC by about $2,000. Should I just report my actual higher income on my Schedule C and not worry about getting a corrected 1099? Seems like paying more tax than the 1099 shows wouldn't trigger any IRS concerns?
You're right that reporting MORE income than what's on your 1099-NEC won't trigger IRS concerns - they're generally more worried about underreporting. However, for your own protection and record-keeping, it's still best to request a corrected 1099-NEC that accurately reflects what you were paid. The reason is that your client is likely taking a tax deduction for what they paid you. If their records show they paid you $2,000 more than what they reported on your 1099-NEC, that discrepancy could potentially cause problems for them in an audit, which could circle back to questions about your income.
Something similar happened to me in 2023. Here's the form you need that nobody tells you about: Form 3911 "Taxpayer Statement Regarding Refund." This officially alerts the IRS that your refund is missing and starts a trace. You can download it from the IRS website. Also try contacting your local Taxpayer Advocate Service office - they can sometimes work miracles when normal channels fail.
Thank you for mentioning Form 3911! Is there a waiting period before I should file this, or can I submit it now since it's been over 3 months since I mailed my return?
You can file Form 3911 now since it's been more than 8 weeks since you mailed your return. The IRS recomm
Just wondering if you filed an extension just in case? Even though you sent your return, if they truly lost it and you have no proof of mailing it (like certified mail), the IRS could potentially hit you with late filing penalties. Might be worth filing Form 4868 for an extension if you haven't already, just to cover yourself.
Emma Thompson
Quick tip from someone who does this regularly - if your income is genuinely below all thresholds, you might not even need to file a self assessment next year. You can call HMRC and ask to be taken out of self assessment if you no longer meet the criteria. Common reasons people stay in self assessment unnecessarily: - They had a one-off income spike - They started self-employment but then stopped - They previously had multiple income sources but now just have PAYE Just something to consider if your situation has changed permanently.
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Yara Haddad
ā¢That's really helpful, thank you! My situation was exactly that - I had a side business that generated decent income in 2020-2021, but I closed it down last year. Would I just call HMRC after filing my 2021-2022 return to ask to be removed from self assessment?
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Emma Thompson
ā¢Yes, that's right! Complete your 2021-2022 return first (which will show your income is below thresholds), then call HMRC and explain that you've closed your business and no longer need to be in the self assessment system. They'll ask a few questions to confirm you don't meet any of the criteria, and if they agree, they'll remove you from the system. Make sure you keep the confirmation they send you about this. Most people find it's a huge relief not having to worry about the annual self assessment deadline anymore!
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Malik Davis
Just to add to what others have said - be careful with the timing. If you reduce your payment on account and later your actual income turns out to be higher than you estimated, HMRC will charge interest on the underpayment. Not trying to scare you - if your income is genuinely below thresholds then you're fine! But I made a mistake once where I forgot about some dividend income that pushed me over the threshold, and ended up paying interest.
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Isabella Santos
ā¢Yeah this happened to me too. The interest rates aren't massive but it's still annoying. Better to be slightly conservative with your estimate if you're not 100% sure.
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