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22 Something nobody's mentioned is the "backdoor Roth" strategy that high-income folks use to get around the income limits. You contribute to a traditional IRA (which has no income limits for contributions), then immediately convert to Roth. There's tax implications but it's a common workaround.
11 Is that different from the mega backdoor Roth? I've heard about that one but don't fully understand it. Something about using your 401k?
22 Yes, they're different strategies. The regular backdoor Roth is what I described - contributing to a traditional IRA then converting to Roth when your income exceeds the limits for direct Roth contributions. The mega backdoor Roth involves making after-tax (not Roth) contributions to a 401(k) plan above the standard employee contribution limit, then either converting those to Roth inside the plan or rolling them over to a Roth IRA. It requires a 401(k) plan that specifically allows after-tax contributions and in-service distributions or rollovers. The potential contribution amounts are much larger - potentially up to $40,000+ per year depending on your plan's limits and your other contributions.
9 Another technique I've seen is using self-directed Roth IRAs to invest in private placements or real estate that has explosive growth potential. You need to be careful with prohibited transactions though, since you can't self-deal.
16 Are there companies that help set up self-directed IRAs? My regular brokerage only lets me invest in standard stuff like stocks and ETFs.
Just a heads up that if ur state has a franchise tax for corporations (like California) you might still have to pay it even as an LLC electing corporate tax treatment. Learned this the hard way last year with my LLC lol. Check your state's specific rules!!!
Yep, this is critical. Texas has the same issue - my LLC that's taxed as an S-corp still has to file and pay franchise tax even though federally we're an S-corp. Cost me $3,500 I wasn't expecting my first year.
Something else to consider is if you ever want outside investors, many prefer traditional corps over LLCs. My tech startup started as an LLC taxed as a corp, but when we sought angel funding, we had to convert to a C-corp anyway. Investors didn't want pass-through tax consequences and preferred the standard shareholder structure. Just something to keep in mind if future funding is a possibility.
This is huge! We had to do the same thing. Our attorneys said converting from LLC to C-corp cost us an extra $11k in legal fees compared to if we'd just started as a C-corp. Depends on your longterm goals I guess.
Nobody has mentioned this, but there's also the step-up in basis to consider! If you gift assets during your lifetime, the recipient takes your cost basis. If they inherit after death, they get a stepped-up basis to the fair market value at your death, which can be HUGE for capital gains tax purposes. For example, if you bought stock at $10K that's now worth $50K, and you gift it, your child has a $10K basis. If they later sell at $100K, they pay capital gains on $90K of appreciation. If they inherited it at your death when worth $50K, they'd only pay tax on $50K of appreciation. This is why sometimes it's better to hold appreciated assets until death rather than gifting during life, especially if you're unlikely to hit the estate tax exemption.
Wow, I hadn't thought about the basis step-up issue at all. Does this mean I should be gifting cash rather than appreciated investments if I do start annual gifting? Or is there some strategy that lets you get the best of both worlds?
Yes, if you're going to gift, cash or high-basis assets are generally better from a tax perspective. You want to keep the low-basis (highly appreciated) assets in your estate to get that step-up when you pass. Another strategy some people use is life insurance. If you're worried about estate taxes but want to preserve the step-up, you can keep your appreciated assets and buy life insurance in an irrevocable life insurance trust (ILIT) to provide liquidity for any estate taxes. The insurance proceeds, if structured correctly, pass outside your estate and can be used to pay any estate tax due, allowing your heirs to keep more of your assets intact.
I think people are overthinking this. The annual gift exclusion is use-it-or-lose-it. If you don't use this year's $17k exclusion, you can't make up for it later. And if your looking at 30+ years of compounding, those early gifts could grow substantially. My approach has been to just do a 529 for college funds, then put the rest in a UTMA. Yes, my kid gets it at 21, but that's what good parenting is for. Teach them about money so they don't blow it all. And if you're really worried, you could do a trust, but honestly at your wealth level that seems like overkill for now.
I disagree with your "use it or lose it" framing. While you can't recover unused annual exclusions, you still have your lifetime estate/gift tax exemption. So it's not like those opportunities to transfer tax-free are gone forever if you don't make annual gifts. Also, compounding works the same whether the money is in your account or your child's account. The real question is whether you think you'll exceed the lifetime exemption (even after it decreases), which most people won't.
Something nobody has mentioned - if you already made unqualified distributions from your Roth IRA for the hard money loan and property purchase, you might want to look into converting your remaining Vanguard Roth to a self-directed IRA for FUTURE investments, not to fix the past ones. Self-directed IRAs let you invest in things like real estate, private loans, etc. directly through the IRA. Might help you avoid this situation in the future. Companies like Equity Trust, IRA Financial, and Rocket Dollar specialize in these accounts. Just a thought!
Do self-directed IRAs have different rules about distributions? Like could OP have done these exact investments but avoided the tax hit if they were already in a self-directed account?
Self-directed IRAs follow the same basic distribution rules as any IRA. The difference is what you can invest in while the money remains inside the IRA. If OP had already set up a self-directed IRA before making these investments, they could have made the hard money loan and purchased the rental property directly through the IRA without taking a distribution. The IRA itself would own the property and loan, keeping everything tax-advantaged. All income and gains would flow back into the IRA tax-free (for a Roth). That's the major advantage - making alternative investments while keeping the tax benefits intact.
Has anyone dealt with trying to put real estate back into an IRA after purchasing it personally? I heard there's some kind of prohibited transaction rule about selling your own property to your IRA. Is that true?
Yes, that's absolutely true and a critical point. The IRS has strict rules against "self-dealing" transactions. You cannot sell property you already own personally to your IRA - that's considered a prohibited transaction and can result in the entire IRA being disqualified. The same applies to transactions between your IRA and any "disqualified persons" which includes yourself, your spouse, parents, children, and certain business partners. So unfortunately, once you've purchased property personally, there's no way to transfer it into an IRA without triggering these prohibited transaction rules.
Amara Okafor
Something no one has mentioned yet - if you made improvements to your house during ownership, those costs increase your basis which could lower your gain even more. Things like a new roof, kitchen remodel, additions, etc all count! Make sure you have receipts though.
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Ethan Moore
ā¢Thanks for pointing this out! We actually did a bathroom remodel (~$22k) and replaced all the windows (~$15k) a few years ago. I have receipts for everything. Do these improvements get listed somewhere specific on the tax forms?
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Amara Okafor
ā¢You'll add those improvement costs to your original purchase price when calculating your adjusted basis on Form 8949. So if you bought the house for $200k and did $37k in improvements, your adjusted basis would be $237k. The difference between your selling price (minus selling expenses) and this adjusted basis is your actual gain for tax purposes. This means your real gain is likely even lower than you initially calculated, putting you even further below the $500k exclusion threshold. Still need to report it though!
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CosmicCommander
Can someone explain EXACTLY where on Schedule D this goes? My tax software is confusing me with all the different sections and I'm selling my house this year too.
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Giovanni Colombo
ā¢You'll list it on Form 8949 first (Part II for long-term holdings) with code "H" in column (f), then the excluded amount as a negative number in column (g). Then the totals flow to Schedule D, Line 8. If you're using software like TurboTax or H&R Block, they should walk you through this if you tell them you sold your primary residence.
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