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Something nobody has mentioned - if you already made unqualified distributions from your Roth IRA for the hard money loan and property purchase, you might want to look into converting your remaining Vanguard Roth to a self-directed IRA for FUTURE investments, not to fix the past ones. Self-directed IRAs let you invest in things like real estate, private loans, etc. directly through the IRA. Might help you avoid this situation in the future. Companies like Equity Trust, IRA Financial, and Rocket Dollar specialize in these accounts. Just a thought!
Do self-directed IRAs have different rules about distributions? Like could OP have done these exact investments but avoided the tax hit if they were already in a self-directed account?
Self-directed IRAs follow the same basic distribution rules as any IRA. The difference is what you can invest in while the money remains inside the IRA. If OP had already set up a self-directed IRA before making these investments, they could have made the hard money loan and purchased the rental property directly through the IRA without taking a distribution. The IRA itself would own the property and loan, keeping everything tax-advantaged. All income and gains would flow back into the IRA tax-free (for a Roth). That's the major advantage - making alternative investments while keeping the tax benefits intact.
Has anyone dealt with trying to put real estate back into an IRA after purchasing it personally? I heard there's some kind of prohibited transaction rule about selling your own property to your IRA. Is that true?
Yes, that's absolutely true and a critical point. The IRS has strict rules against "self-dealing" transactions. You cannot sell property you already own personally to your IRA - that's considered a prohibited transaction and can result in the entire IRA being disqualified. The same applies to transactions between your IRA and any "disqualified persons" which includes yourself, your spouse, parents, children, and certain business partners. So unfortunately, once you've purchased property personally, there's no way to transfer it into an IRA without triggering these prohibited transaction rules.
A quick tip from someone who used to work with tax issues - when you receive an abatement approval, you need to specifically request a refund if you've already paid the penalty amount. The IRS doesn't automatically issue refunds for abatements; they just credit your account. You should call the IRS (painful, I know) and ask for: 1. An account transcript for the tax year in question 2. Verification of the abatement approval 3. Request that they issue a refund for the credit balance As for the 1099-INT, yes, you legally need to report it. However, since you haven't actually received the money, you can offset it by claiming a loss. Make sure to document everything thoroughly in case of an audit.
Do you know which specific form I should use to claim that loss? And where exactly on the tax return would I put this? I'm using TurboTax and couldn't find an obvious place to enter this type of situation.
For TurboTax, you should report the 1099-INT income as required, then look for the "Miscellaneous Deductions" section (sometimes under "Other Income"). Enter a negative amount equal to your 1099-INT as "Claim of Right" income repayment. If that specific option isn't available, you can use Form 8275 (Disclosure Statement) to explain the situation. TurboTax has a section for additional forms that you can access through the search function. The key is to document that you're not trying to avoid reporting income, but rather addressing a situation where you were issued a 1099 for money you never received.
Has anyone successfully gotten the IRS to revoke a 1099-INT in a situation like this? It seems ridiculous that they make you report income you never received and then jump through hoops to claim it back on your tax return.
I actually did get mine revoked last year! I sent a certified letter to the IRS office that issued the 1099-INT explaining that I never received the funds. Included copies of all my bank statements proving no deposit was made. They sent a corrected 1099-INT showing $0 about six weeks later. Much easier than trying to claim it as a loss.
Just wanted to add that I've been running a lawn care business for 5 years, and I always record all income together regardless of whether it's a tip or standard service fee. On your Schedule C, it all goes on the same line anyway. The bigger issue is making sure you're tracking all your legitimate business expenses to offset that income! Don't forget things like equipment depreciation, vehicle expenses, insurance, and even a portion of your cell phone bill if you use it for business. The IRS wants all your income reported, but they also allow all legitimate business expenses to be deducted.
Thanks for this advice! Do you use any specific software or app to track your business expenses throughout the year? And how detailed do your records need to be for things like gas or small tool purchases?
I use a combination of QuickBooks Self-Employed and a separate business credit card that I use exclusively for business purchases. This makes it much easier to track everything come tax time. For expenses like gas and small tools, I keep all receipts and take photos of them with my phone immediately (receipts fade over time). The IRS wants to see that there's documentation for your expenses, so having receipts or electronic records is important. For vehicle expenses, you can either track all actual costs (gas, maintenance, insurance, etc.) or use the standard mileage rate - I find the standard mileage rate easier, but you need to keep a mileage log with dates, destinations, and business purpose.
Has anyone here dealt with Venmo's reporting thresholds? I heard they changed the rules again for 2025. I'm worried because I do about $30k a year through my Venmo business account for my landscaping service and don't want any surprises.
For 2025, payment apps like Venmo are required to issue a 1099-K if you receive more than $5,000 in business transactions for the year. This is down from the $20,000 threshold they had temporarily extended. So at $30k, you'll definitely get a 1099-K that will be reported to the IRS.
Former non-profit accountant here. This arrangement definitely raises red flags but isn't automatically illegal. The key issues are: 1) Did the board approve this arrangement with documented evidence? 2) Did the interested parties (CEO/spouse) recuse themselves from voting? 3) Is the LLC providing legitimate services at fair market value? 4) Is the arrangement properly disclosed on Schedule L of Form 990? 5) Are there other board members who are truly independent? The IRS is particularly interested in "excess benefit transactions" where insiders receive more value than they provide to the organization. If the fundraising services are generating significantly more than $2.3M in donations, and the cost is competitive with other fundraising contractors, this might be defendable.
Thanks for this breakdown! I've been trying to find their Schedule L but having trouble locating it through charity navigator and the other public sites. Would this arrangement show up anywhere else on their 990 besides Schedule L?
Yes, there are a few other places to look. Check Part VII of Form 990, which lists compensation for officers, directors and key employees - there should be columns for reporting compensation from "related organizations." Also look at Schedule O, which often contains supplemental information and explanations. Many non-profits also post their full 990 packages (including all schedules) on their websites, or you can request it directly from them - they're legally required to provide copies of their three most recent 990s upon request. Alternatively, you can request copies from the IRS using Form 4506-A, though that takes longer. GuideStar (now part of Candid) usually has more complete 990 packages than Charity Navigator if you create a free account.
To answer your specific questions: 1) Is it legal? Maybe, with proper disclosure and board approval 2) Can fundraising fees be this high? Yes, but it depends on services provided 3) Conflict of interest? Absolutely yes, but conflicts can be managed with proper procedures I'd be most concerned about whether their board is truly independent and whether they sought competitive bids for fundraising services. Many states' attorneys general are increasing scrutiny of non-profit governance, especially around related-party transactions. If you have serious concerns, you might consider reporting to your state's charity regulator or the IRS.
Mateo Lopez
22 Something nobody's mentioned is the "backdoor Roth" strategy that high-income folks use to get around the income limits. You contribute to a traditional IRA (which has no income limits for contributions), then immediately convert to Roth. There's tax implications but it's a common workaround.
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ā¢11 Is that different from the mega backdoor Roth? I've heard about that one but don't fully understand it. Something about using your 401k?
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ā¢22 Yes, they're different strategies. The regular backdoor Roth is what I described - contributing to a traditional IRA then converting to Roth when your income exceeds the limits for direct Roth contributions. The mega backdoor Roth involves making after-tax (not Roth) contributions to a 401(k) plan above the standard employee contribution limit, then either converting those to Roth inside the plan or rolling them over to a Roth IRA. It requires a 401(k) plan that specifically allows after-tax contributions and in-service distributions or rollovers. The potential contribution amounts are much larger - potentially up to $40,000+ per year depending on your plan's limits and your other contributions.
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9 Another technique I've seen is using self-directed Roth IRAs to invest in private placements or real estate that has explosive growth potential. You need to be careful with prohibited transactions though, since you can't self-deal.
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ā¢16 Are there companies that help set up self-directed IRAs? My regular brokerage only lets me invest in standard stuff like stocks and ETFs.
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