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One additional point that hasn't been mentioned yet - if your LLC invests in U.S. stocks and receives dividends, you may need to consider Form 1042/1042-S reporting if you then distribute those funds to yourself as the foreign owner. Though since you're a disregarded entity, this might be handled differently. Also, depending on how much you're investing, be aware of potential FIRPTA implications if any of your investments include U.S. real property interests (even indirectly through certain REITs). Have you considered electing to be treated as a corporation instead of maintaining disregarded entity status? In some cases, this can provide more favorable tax treatment for certain types of investment income, depending on your tax treaty.
I haven't considered electing to be treated as a corporation - could you explain a bit more about when that might be advantageous for investment activities? Would the corporate tax rates be better than the withholding rates in some cases? And would I still need to file Form 5472 if I made that election?
Making an election to be treated as a corporation (Form 8832) can sometimes be advantageous because U.S. corporate tax rates might be lower than the withholding rates applied to foreign persons, especially for certain investment types. For example, while dividends are typically subject to 30% withholding (or lower with tax treaties), the corporate income tax rate is 21%. Yes, you would still need to file Form 5472 if you made the election, as it applies to 25% foreign-owned U.S. corporations. However, instead of filing a pro-forma 1120, you'd file a regular Form 1120 as an actual tax return. Another benefit is that a corporation can potentially claim deductions against income that might not be available to a foreign person receiving passive income. The downside is increased compliance requirements and potential for double taxation if you eventually distribute earnings to yourself. The optimal structure really depends on your specific situation, investment amounts, and how your country's tax treaty interacts with U.S. tax law.
Has anyone here used a U.S. brokerage account for their foreign-owned LLC? I'm trying to decide between Interactive Brokers, Charles Schwab, and TD Ameritrade but worried about account opening difficulties for foreign-owned LLCs.
I've had an account with Interactive Brokers for my foreign-owned Delaware LLC for about 3 years now. They're definitely more accommodating to international structures than many other brokerages. The documentation requirements were still extensive, but their system is set up to handle foreign ownership situations. They also have good systems for handling tax withholding based on tax treaty status.
I think your boss is trying to avoid paying employer taxes. When he pays you in cash and doesn't report it, he's not paying his share of Social Security and Medicare taxes. Just to be clear - if you were actually an employee (not a contractor), your boss should have been giving you a W-2, not a 1099. The difference matters because: - W-2: Employer pays half of Social Security/Medicare taxes - 1099: You pay ALL Social Security/Medicare taxes yourself (self-employment tax) You might want to look at Form SS-8 to determine if you should have been classified as an employee rather than a contractor. If you were misclassified, the IRS can go after your employer for their share of taxes.
Thanks for bringing this up - I honestly wasn't sure if I should have been getting a W-2 or 1099. My job involves framing houses and doing general construction work. I use their tools, work on their schedule, and they tell me exactly what to do and how to do it. Does that sound more like an employee situation?
Based on what you've described, you sound much more like an employee than an independent contractor. The key factors the IRS looks at include: who controls when and how you work, who provides tools and equipment, how you're paid (regular wages vs. project-based), and whether the work is a key part of the business. Using their tools, working on their schedule, and having them direct your work are all strong indicators of employee status. Construction workers doing the core work of a construction company are typically employees unless there's a specific arrangement that gives the worker significant independence.
Similar thing happened to me last year. My side gig didn't send a 1099 and kept putting me off. Here's what I did: 1. Filed my taxes anyway using my own records of what I earned (cash payment records + deposit slips) 2. Reported the income on Schedule C 3. Kept really good documentation of my attempts to get the 1099 (emails, texts, etc) 4. Submitted Form 8919 "Uncollected Social Security and Medicare Tax on Wages" since I suspected I was misclassified The biggest thing is don't wait to file! The April deadline (or October with extension) is for YOU, not your employer. Their failure to provide docs doesn't extend your filing deadline.
Did you run into any issues with the IRS after filing this way? I'm in a similar situation and worried they'll come after me for something that wasn't my fault.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - consider setting up an LLC or S-Corp once you're established! I waited two years before doing this and regret it. As an S-Corp, you can pay yourself a reasonable salary and take the rest as distributions, which aren't subject to self-employment tax. Saved me about $7,500 last year alone. Talk to a CPA about when this makes sense for you - usually around $80-100k is when the savings outweigh the extra paperwork and fees.
Doesn't setting up an S-Corp mean you have to run payroll and deal with a bunch of extra filings though? Is it really worth the hassle?
Yes, with an S-Corp you do need to run payroll (even if it's just for yourself) and there are additional tax forms and requirements. You'll need to file Form 1120-S for the corporation, issue yourself a W-2, and potentially make quarterly payroll tax deposits. The breakeven point varies by situation, but generally if you're making over $80-100K in profit, the self-employment tax savings usually outweigh the extra costs and hassle. I pay about $800/year for payroll services and additional accounting fees, but save around $7,500 in taxes. For me, it's definitely worth it, but everyone's situation is different. It's definitely something to consider once your business is stable, not necessarily right away.
Quick tip if you're just starting out - open a separate checking account for your business transactions right away! I mixed personal and business in the same account my first year and tax time was a complete nightmare trying to sort it all out.
Yessss! This saved me so much trouble. And get a separate credit card for business expenses too. Makes everything so much cleaner come tax time.
Thanks for the credit card tip! I actually have a dedicated business credit card now too, and it makes categorizing expenses so much easier. Most cards even give you year-end summaries by category which is super helpful for Schedule C. Plus you can often get better rewards on business cards for things like office supplies or internet services.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you also prepare a list of all business assets with approximate values (equipment, inventory, vehicles, intellectual property, etc). When I sold my wholesale business, buyers wanted this separate from the main financial statements. Also, prepare a customer concentration report showing what percentage of revenue comes from your top clients. Buyers get nervous if too much revenue depends on just a few customers.
Thanks for mentioning this! I didn't even think about the asset list. Do you know if there's a standard format for this? And for the customer concentration report, did you just create a spreadsheet or is there a more official way to present that information?
For the asset list, I just created a simple spreadsheet with columns for: description, date acquired, original purchase price, current estimated value, and condition (excellent, good, fair, etc.). Nothing fancy, but buyers appreciated the organization. The customer concentration report was also just a spreadsheet showing my top 10 customers, what percentage of revenue each represented, how long they'd been customers, and brief notes about the relationship. My broker actually said these simple documents made a huge difference in buyer confidence because they showed I was organized and transparent.
Don't forget about getting your tax basis in the S-corp right! This is super important and often overlooked. Your tax basis determines how much tax you'll pay when you sell. For S-corps, your basis increases with capital contributions and income, and decreases with distributions and losses. Many business owners don't track this carefully and end up with nasty tax surprises.
Is there an easy way to calculate this? I've owned my S-corp for 12 years and honestly have no idea what my current basis is.
QuantumQuester
Everyone's focused on the tax rates, but don't forget about other advantages of S-corps. The ability to minimize self-employment taxes by taking a reasonable salary plus distributions is huge. I save about $7,500 annually just from properly structuring my compensation this way compared to when I was a sole proprietor. Also, with an S-corp you can still contribute to a Solo 401k based on your salary, which helps reduce your taxable income significantly. The C-corp has other issues like accumulated earnings tax if you try to keep too much money in the business.
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Luca Russo
ā¢What's a good ratio of salary to distributions that won't trigger IRS concerns? I've heard different things from different sources.
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QuantumQuester
ā¢There's no fixed percentage that's universally "safe" as the IRS looks at what's reasonable for your industry, experience, and business circumstances. A common approach is researching what comparable positions in your industry would pay and documenting that research. For many service businesses, I've seen recommendations ranging from 50-70% of profits as salary being reasonable, but it varies widely. Healthcare professionals often need higher salary percentages while capital-intensive businesses might justify lower percentages. The key is having solid documentation for whatever number you choose.
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Andre Moreau
As a point of clarification, the 12% bracket you mentioned would only apply to a portion of your income anyway. Tax brackets are marginal, so you're not paying one single rate on all income. With your current W2 of 72k plus business income of 50-65k, you'd be well into the 22% bracket regardless of how you structure things.
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Zoe Stavros
ā¢This! So many people don't understand marginal tax rates and make decisions based on completely wrong assumptions. OP needs to look at effective tax rate across all income, not just the highest bracket they hit.
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