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Keep in mind that the "placed in service" date matters a lot for depreciation. If you started using that furniture in December 2024, you only get to claim depreciation for about 1/12 of the annual amount for that first tax year (using the half-year or mid-quarter convention, depending on when you bought it). I made this mistake my first year in business and accidentally claimed a full year of depreciation for assets I bought in November. Had to file an amended return when my accountant caught it.

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Oh that's something I hadn't considered at all! I bought the furniture back in October but didn't actually set it up and start using it until November. Does the "placed in service" date mean when I bought it or when I actually started using it? And what's this half-year convention thing?

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The "placed in service" date is when the property is ready and available for its intended use - so that would be November when you set it up, not when you purchased it in October. The half-year convention is a simplification rule that assumes you placed assets in service halfway through the year, regardless of when you actually started using them. So for the first year of a 7-year property with straight-line depreciation, you'd take 1/14th of the cost (half of 1/7th). However, if you place more than 40% of your total assets for the year in service during the last 3 months, you have to use the mid-quarter convention instead, which is more complicated and bases your first-year depreciation on which quarter you placed the asset in service.

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Tate Jensen

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Has anyone used TurboTax for calculating depreciation? I'm having trouble figuring out where to enter my office furniture and how to set up the depreciation schedule. The interview process keeps asking me confusing questions about "listed property" and "MACRS".

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Adaline Wong

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I use TurboTax Self-Employed and it handles depreciation pretty well. When you get to the business expenses section, there's a separate category for assets that need to be depreciated. Just follow the prompts and it'll ask for purchase date, cost, and business use percentage. It automatically applies the correct MACRS schedule for office furniture (7 years). Office furniture isn't "listed property" so you'd select "no" for that question.

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Something everyone should know - the IRS has a First Time Penalty Abatement policy that might help in your situation! If you've had a clean tax record for the past 3 years before your unfiled return, you can often get the failure-to-file and failure-to-pay penalties waived for one tax year. This wouldn't apply to the interest that's accrued, but it could significantly reduce what you owe. You'd need to file all your back taxes first, then request the abatement either by calling the IRS or submitting a letter.

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StarSeeker

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That's amazing! I didn't know about this policy. Do you know if it would apply to my situation since I missed 2021 and 2022? Could I get the penalties waived for just 2021 or would it not work since I missed multiple years?

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The First Time Penalty Abatement typically only applies to the first tax year in which you had an issue, so in your case, it would likely only apply to 2021. It wouldn't cover 2022 because by then, you no longer had a "clean compliance history" due to the 2021 issue. The good news is that getting the penalties waived for even one year can make a significant difference. For your 2021 tax year, this could potentially save you hundreds or even over a thousand dollars depending on your original tax amount. After you file all your returns, you can call the IRS and specifically request a "First Time Abatement" for the 2021 tax year. Just make sure you've filed all your back taxes before making the request.

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Ethan Wilson

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I'm going through almost the same thing - can anyone recommend good tax software for filing previous years? I need to file 2020 and 2021 returns.

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Yuki Tanaka

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I used FreeTaxUSA for my previous year returns and it worked great. They charge like $15 for prior year federal returns and their interface is easy to use. You just need to make sure you're in the right tax year when you start - they have separate sections for each year.

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Julia Hall

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I've been employing my kids in my business for a few years now. Here's what I do: I use Wave (wavapps.com) for free basic payroll tracking. It doesn't file the forms for you, but it's great for keeping records. For actually filing, I use the free IRS resources and just do it manually once a year - it's not that complicated for just one employee who's your child. Make sure you keep meticulous records of hours worked and tasks performed. Take photos of your kid actually doing the work occasionally. Have a written job description. The tax benefits are great, but you need good documentation in case of an audit.

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Arjun Patel

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Do you pay your kid weekly or monthly? And do you need to do any quarterly filings with this approach?

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Julia Hall

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I pay my kids bi-weekly to establish a regular pattern (looks more legitimate to the IRS). You will need to do quarterly 941 filings even though you're exempt from some taxes, but the form is pretty simple when you're just reporting one employee with FICA exemptions. You'll also need to do annual FUTA (form 940) filing, though you're exempt from paying federal unemployment tax when it's your child under 21. The first year takes a bit of learning, but after that it becomes pretty routine. The tax savings make it worthwhile - you're essentially shifting income from your tax bracket to your child's (likely 0%) bracket.

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Jade Lopez

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Has anyone actually calculated the true tax savings here? Like, is it really worth all this hassle for $1900 of wages? You're saving some self-employment taxes but creating a lot of paperwork.

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Tony Brooks

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I did the math when I hired my daughter. For a sole proprietor in the 22% federal bracket plus self-employment taxes, paying your child $2000 can save around $600-700 in taxes. Plus there are non-tax benefits - teaching your kid about work, responsibility, and money management. My daughter loves having her own money and learning about saving/investing.

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9 Have you considered just adjusting your federal withholding on your W-4 to compensate? While it doesn't solve the SS overwithholding directly, you could claim additional allowances to reduce your federal income tax withholding by approximately the same amount as the excess SS tax. That way your take-home pay stays about the same, and everything gets sorted out when you file.

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1 I thought about that, but wouldn't that potentially cause me to be underwithholding federal taxes? I'm worried about ending up with a big tax bill or underpayment penalties when filing time comes around.

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9 It could potentially result in underwithholding if not calculated carefully. The key is to only reduce your federal withholding by the amount of the excess SS tax, not more. You'd need to calculate how much extra SS tax is being withheld per pay period and adjust accordingly. You generally won't face underpayment penalties if you've paid at least 90% of your current year tax liability or 100% of your prior year tax liability through withholding (110% if your AGI was over $150,000). Since you're only adjusting to offset the SS overwithholding, you should still meet these safe harbor provisions if your withholding was otherwise appropriate.

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16 Just curious - has anyone successfully gotten their employer to issue a corrected W-2 for this situation instead of waiting to claim it on taxes? My payroll person suggested this might be possible but wasn't sure of the process.

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8 Employers generally won't issue a corrected W-2 for SS overwithholding in multiple-employer situations. The W-2 from each employer should correctly reflect what they actually withheld, even if the combined amount exceeds the maximum. The IRS expects you to reconcile this on your tax return rather than having employers issue corrected W-2s. This is specifically addressed in the instructions for Form 1040, where you claim the excess Social Security tax withholding as a credit.

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Another option worth considering is to contact the Taxpayer Advocate Service. They're designed to help when you've tried normal IRS channels without success. Since you've been waiting for quite a while and keep getting interest notifications without the actual payment, you might qualify for their assistance. You can find your local office here: https://www.taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/ I used them last year when I had issues with my stimulus payment after moving back from Canada, and they were able to help resolve it within about 2 months.

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Thanks for suggesting the Taxpayer Advocate Service! Have you heard if they're also dealing with major backlogs like the regular IRS departments? I'm wondering if it's worth contacting them now or waiting until I'm physically back in the US next month.

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They definitely have backlogs too, but in my experience, they're still faster than waiting for the regular IRS channels to resolve issues. If you contact them now, they might be able to start your case so that by the time you're back in the US, they'll be ready to work with you more directly. One important tip: when you contact them, be very specific about the financial hardship the delay is causing. They prioritize cases partly based on the level of hardship, so if this money is important for your relocation or getting established back in the US, definitely mention that.

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Have you checked if you can see your refund status through the "Where's My Refund" tool on the IRS website? Sometimes that shows if a check was issued and returned. Also, when you filed the streamlined returns, did you include direct deposit information?

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'Where s My" Refund has limited historical data - it usually only shows information for the current tax year and sometimes the previous one. For older refunds, especially from streamlined filings, it probably'won t show anything helpfulnow.

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