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bruh the IRS website has a calculator but its straight garbage tbh šļø never gives the right numbers
fr fr that calculator be playing games with peoples emotions š¤£
With $80k income, MFJ, and 3 kids you're looking at a solid refund! The Child Tax Credit alone will give you $4k for the two younger ones (assuming they qualify). If your 19yo is in college, you might also get education credits. Plus with only $3k withheld on $80k income, you definitely underpaid during the year which actually works in your favor for a bigger refund. I'd estimate somewhere in the $5k-7k range but definitely use actual tax software to be sure!
For those stuck on the insolvency worksheet, I found this real-world example helped me understand the big picture: Assets: Car worth $8,000 Checking account $1,200 Personal belongings $2,000 Total assets: $11,200 Liabilities: Credit card debt $13,000 Medical bills $5,000 Car loan $6,000 Total liabilities: $24,000 Insolvency amount: $12,800 ($24,000 - $11,200) If cancelled debt is $7,500, you can exclude the full amount. If cancelled debt is $15,000, you can only exclude $12,800. Hope this helps someone else!
Great breakdown of the insolvency calculation! One thing to add for anyone reading this - make sure you're valuing your assets at fair market value, not what you originally paid for them. For example, if you bought your car for $15,000 but it's only worth $8,000 now due to depreciation, use the $8,000 figure. Same goes for things like electronics or furniture - use what you could reasonably sell them for today, not what you paid. Also, don't forget about less obvious liabilities like unpaid taxes, student loans, or even money you owe to family members. Every dollar of legitimate debt counts toward proving your insolvency, so make sure you're including everything when you do your calculation.
This is really helpful advice about fair market value! I'm just starting to work on my Form 982 and I was wondering - how do you actually determine fair market value for things like furniture and personal belongings? Do I need to get formal appraisals or can I just estimate based on what I think I could sell them for on Craigslist or Facebook Marketplace? I want to make sure I'm being accurate but also don't want to spend a fortune on appraisals for items that aren't worth much.
This thread has been incredibly helpful for understanding RSU withholding issues! As someone new to receiving stock compensation, I had no idea this was such a widespread problem. I'm currently in my first year of RSU vestings and want to make sure I don't run into this same situation next tax season. Based on all the great advice shared here, I'm planning to: 1. Set up quarterly tracking like Joshua suggested, documenting each vesting event and where the withholding gets reported 2. Create that dedicated email folder for all RSU communications 3. Identify my company's stock plan administrator contact info now, before I need it 4. Take screenshots of my account right after each vesting as Gianni recommended One question for the group - for those who successfully resolved their missing withholding documentation, what's the best way to verify that everything is correctly reported when you actually file your return? I want to make sure I don't accidentally double-count or miss anything when the time comes. Also, is there a particular time of year when it's best to do a "mid-year check" on RSU withholdings to catch any reporting issues before they become tax season problems? Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world guidance that makes navigating stock compensation so much easier!
Great proactive approach, Chloe! Your tracking plan sounds comprehensive and will definitely save you headaches later. For verification when filing, I recommend creating a simple reconciliation worksheet that matches your W2 withholdings + any separate RSU withholdings against your total tax liability. Most tax software will flag discrepancies, but having your own tracking helps you catch errors before submitting. Regarding mid-year checks, I'd suggest doing a quarterly review after each vesting period - so March, June, September, and December. This way you can verify that withholdings appear correctly on your paystubs and reach out to HR/stock plan administrators while the transactions are still fresh in everyone's minds. One additional tip from my experience: consider asking your stock plan administrator about their year-end tax document timeline. Some provide preliminary tax summaries in early January before the official forms are available, which can help you identify any missing withholdings while there's still time to request corrections. Also, bookmark the IRS tax transcript website now - if you do run into issues next year, having that account already set up will save you time when you need to verify withholdings quickly. Your preparation now will make next tax season so much smoother!
I've been following this thread closely as I'm dealing with a very similar situation - $94k in RSU withholdings from E*TRADE that completely disappeared from my W2. This has been one of the most helpful discussions I've found anywhere online about this issue! After reading through everyone's experiences, I've already started implementing several suggestions: 1. **Found my company's separate stock plan portal** - Just like Gabrielle mentioned, this was completely separate from my regular E*TRADE account. There's a "Tax Documents" section I never knew existed that shows detailed withholding information. 2. **Contacted our stock plan administrator directly** - Following Zoey's advice, I called the dedicated equity compensation support line instead of going through regular HR. The specialist immediately understood the issue and is preparing a comprehensive tax reconciliation report for me. 3. **Requested IRS tax account transcript** - Based on Javier's suggestion, I've submitted a request to verify that the IRS actually received my withholdings. Should have results in a few weeks. What strikes me most about this thread is how common this problem seems to be, yet there's so little official guidance about it. The practical solutions shared here are far more valuable than anything I found in standard tax resources. For anyone else dealing with this: don't panic about the missing withholdings. As multiple people confirmed, the money was sent to the IRS and you will get credit for it. It's just a matter of finding the right documentation trail. I'll update this thread once I get my transcript results - might help others verify their situation too.
This is such a comprehensive approach to tracking down the missing withholdings! I'm really impressed by how systematically you're working through all the suggestions from this thread. Your point about how common this issue is really resonates with me. It's almost shocking that something as fundamental as tax withholdings can be so difficult to document properly. The fact that we need to become detective-level researchers just to find our own tax payments seems like a systemic problem that should be addressed at the industry level. I'm definitely interested in hearing your update about the IRS transcript results - that will be valuable confirmation for everyone dealing with similar situations. It's also encouraging to see that you're already finding success with the stock plan portal approach. That seems to be the most reliable solution based on what multiple people have reported here. One thing your experience reinforces is the importance of being persistent and trying multiple channels simultaneously rather than waiting for one approach to work before trying others. The combination of stock plan administrator contact + IRS transcript + dedicated portal search seems like the most comprehensive way to ensure nothing gets missed. Thanks for sharing your systematic approach - it's going to help a lot of people who find this thread in the future!
This is a really common situation that trips up a lot of people! The key thing to remember is that the IRS cares about who actually paid the mortgage interest, not whose name appears on the 1098 form. Since you're making 100% of the payments, you can absolutely claim 100% of the mortgage interest deduction on your tax return. When you file, you'll want to include a brief explanation with your return stating something like: "Mortgage interest paid by taxpayer although Form 1098 issued to other borrowers due to lender reporting limitations." Your brother and sister should NOT claim any of this mortgage interest on their returns since they didn't pay it. The fact that their names are on the 1098 doesn't give them the right to the deduction - it's all about who actually made the payments. Make sure to keep good records of all your mortgage payments (bank statements, canceled checks, etc.) in case the IRS has any questions later. This documentation will clearly show that you were the one making the payments throughout the year. If you're using tax software, look for an option that lets you indicate you paid mortgage interest reported under someone else's name/SSN. Most major tax programs have provisions for this exact situation.
This is really helpful clarification! I'm actually in a similar situation where I'm making all the mortgage payments but my spouse's name is the primary on the 1098. One quick question - when you mention keeping records of mortgage payments, would electronic bank transfers be sufficient documentation, or do I need something more formal from the lender? I've been paying through my bank's online bill pay system for the past two years.
Electronic bank transfers through your bank's bill pay system are absolutely sufficient documentation! Those records show the date, amount, and recipient (your mortgage company), which is exactly what the IRS would want to see as proof of payment. Make sure your bank statements clearly identify the payments as going to your mortgage lender - most online bill pay systems will show the payee name. If for some reason the payee isn't clearly identified on your statements, you might want to save screenshots from your online banking that show the full payment details. You don't need anything formal from the lender beyond what you already have. Your bank records showing consistent mortgage payments from your account are perfect documentation. Just keep those statements organized and easily accessible in case you ever need to provide them.
I had a very similar situation with my mortgage at Bank of America last year! Three of us were on the original loan (me, my wife, and my brother-in-law), but only the first two names appeared on the 1098. I was doing most of the payments from my personal account. What really helped me was getting a formal letter from the bank confirming that all three of us were legally obligated borrowers, even though only two names appeared on the 1098 due to their system limitations. I called their mortgage customer service and specifically asked for a "borrower confirmation letter" for tax purposes. When I filed my taxes, I claimed the percentage of mortgage interest that corresponded to the payments I actually made (about 70% in my case). I attached a brief explanation to my return along with the bank letter. Everything went smoothly - no questions from the IRS. The key is having solid documentation of your actual payments and some confirmation from the lender about your borrower status. Keep all your bank statements showing the mortgage payments, and definitely get that confirmation letter from Citizens Bank if you can. It's worth the phone call!
This is exactly the kind of documentation I was looking for! I've been hesitant to call Citizens Bank again because the first representative I spoke with didn't seem very knowledgeable about tax-related requests. When you asked for a "borrower confirmation letter," did you have to speak with a specific department, or was regular customer service able to handle it? Also, did they charge any fee for providing that letter? I want to make sure I'm asking for the right thing when I call them back.
I had to be transferred to their mortgage servicing department to get the letter - regular customer service wasn't able to help. When I called, I asked to speak with "mortgage servicing" and explained that I needed documentation for tax purposes showing all borrowers on the loan. Bank of America didn't charge me anything for the letter, but it did take about 5-7 business days to receive it by email. The representative I spoke with knew exactly what I was asking for when I mentioned it was for tax filing purposes related to Form 1098 discrepancies. If the first person you talk to at Citizens Bank doesn't understand, just ask to be transferred to their mortgage servicing or loan servicing department. Those specialists deal with these requests more frequently and should be able to help you right away.
Edward McBride
I had this same lockout issue last month and it was incredibly frustrating! In my experience, it took exactly 48 hours to reset, even though their messaging says 24 hours. I tried all the usual tricks - clearing cache, different browsers, incognito mode - but nothing worked until that 48-hour mark hit. One thing that helped me during the wait was calling the automated refund hotline at 1-800-829-1954. You don't need to log in and sometimes it has more recent updates than the "Where's My Refund" tool. Just have your SSN, filing status, and exact refund amount ready. Since you filed on March 5th, you're right at that 21-day processing window, so hopefully you'll see movement soon! The waiting is the worst part, especially when you're counting on that money. Once I finally got back into my account after the lockout, my refund status had actually updated with a deposit date. Fingers crossed yours comes through quickly!
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Ethan Davis
ā¢This is really helpful! I'm dealing with a similar lockout situation right now and it's so frustrating when you're anxiously waiting for your refund. The 48-hour timeline you mentioned is good to know - I was getting worried that something was seriously wrong when it didn't reset after 24 hours like their message claims. I'll definitely try that automated hotline while I wait. It's reassuring to hear that your refund status actually updated during the lockout period, gives me hope that mine might be progressing in the background too even if I can't see it yet!
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Zara Perez
I've been in this exact same boat multiple times this tax season! The lockout period can vary - I've experienced anywhere from 24 to 72 hours depending on how their system is feeling that day. It's incredibly frustrating, especially when you're anxiously waiting for updates on your refund. A few things that have helped me: try using a completely different device or network (like your phone's hotspot instead of home WiFi), clear all browser data, and sometimes waiting until odd hours like early morning can help. The IRS system seems to reset at random times. Since you filed March 5th, you're right in that 21-day window where things should start moving. I know the "still processing" message is maddening - it tells you absolutely nothing useful! One trick I've found is calling the automated refund line at 1-800-829-1954. Sometimes it has slightly more current info than the online tools, and you don't need to deal with logging in. Hang in there! I filed around the same time as you and just got movement on mine yesterday, so hopefully yours will update soon too. The waiting is definitely the hardest part, especially when bills are involved.
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Kaiya Rivera
ā¢Thanks for sharing your experience! It's oddly comforting to know I'm not the only one dealing with this frustrating lockout situation. The fact that you just got movement on your return filed around the same time as mine gives me hope that mine might update soon too. I'll definitely try the automated phone line trick - anything is better than staring at that useless "still processing" message. The IRS really needs to get their act together with these outdated systems!
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