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One thing I learned the hard way is that the type of assets you transfer into the trust can have different tax implications. We initially planned to fund our children's trust with appreciated stock, but our attorney explained that transferring appreciated assets to an irrevocable trust means losing the potential step-up in basis that would occur if we held them until death. For example, if you have stock worth $100k that you originally bought for $20k, transferring it to an irrevocable trust locks in that $20k basis. If your kids eventually sell it, they'll pay capital gains on the full $80k appreciation. But if you kept it and passed it through your estate, they'd get a stepped-up basis to the $100k value. We ended up funding the trust with cash instead and keeping the appreciated assets in our names. Just something to consider when you're deciding what assets to use for the $650k transfer. Your estate planning attorney should definitely walk through these basis considerations with you!

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Summer Green

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This is such an important point that often gets overlooked! I wish I had known about the basis step-up issue before we set up our trust. We made the same mistake of transferring appreciated real estate into our irrevocable trust, and now our kids will face a huge capital gains bill if they ever sell the property. For anyone reading this - definitely run the numbers on what the tax impact will be for your beneficiaries down the road. Sometimes it's worth paying estate taxes later to preserve that stepped-up basis, especially if you have assets that have appreciated significantly. The tax savings from the step-up can be much larger than the estate tax you might avoid with the trust. Our financial advisor suggested we could have kept the appreciated assets and used life insurance to pay any potential estate taxes instead. Hindsight is 20/20!

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Great question! I went through this same process about two years ago when we set up a trust for our kids after my mother passed away. The good news is that there are typically no immediate taxes just for *creating* the trust structure itself. However, once you transfer that $650k into the trust, that's when the tax considerations kick in depending on what type of trust you establish. A few key points from my experience: - If you go with a revocable trust (where you maintain control), it's still considered your asset for tax purposes, so no immediate gift tax issues - For irrevocable trusts, you'll be making a gift to the trust which uses your lifetime gift tax exemption ($13.61M for 2024), but with $650k you're well under that limit - You'll still need to file Form 709 (gift tax return) even if no tax is owed - just for documentation - The trust will need its own EIN and may need to file Form 1041 annually if it generates income over $600 One thing I'd definitely recommend is discussing the timing of when you fund the trust vs. when you actually establish it. We spread our funding over two tax years to use both my wife's and my annual gift exclusions more effectively. Smart move meeting with an estate planning attorney - they'll help you structure everything to minimize ongoing tax complications!

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This is really helpful, Sebastian! Quick follow-up question - when you mentioned spreading the funding over two tax years to use annual gift exclusions more effectively, how exactly did that work? With three kids as beneficiaries, are you able to use the $18,000 annual exclusion for each child separately when funding the trust, or does the entire transfer to the trust count as one gift regardless of the number of beneficiaries? I'm trying to figure out if we could potentially structure our $650k transfer in a way that maximizes our annual exclusions before dipping into the lifetime exemption. Our attorney mentioned something about this but I want to understand the mechanics before our meeting.

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Hahahaha I laughed at "having them all prepare my returns"... bro do u know how much tax prep COSTS? You're gonna pay like $300-500 at EACH place just to compare. Seems like an expensive experiment when you could just use free online software and do it yourself!

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Not everyone can DIY their taxes especially with complicated situations. I tried doing my own when I had self-employment income, rental property, and investments, and I missed so many deductions. A good preparer can often find enough additional savings to more than cover their fee.

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StarSurfer

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I actually work for the IRS (though obviously speaking for myself here, not the agency), and I can confirm this is completely legal. We don't care how many preparers you consult before filing - we only care that you file ONE accurate return. That said, a few professional observations: If you're getting wildly different refund amounts, that's concerning. The tax code is the tax code - legitimate preparers working with the same facts should get similar results. Big differences usually mean either 1) someone found deductions others missed (good), 2) someone is being overly aggressive with questionable positions (bad), or 3) there's an actual error somewhere. My advice? If you do this, ask each preparer to walk you through their major deductions and credits line by line. Don't just go with the biggest refund - go with the one who can best explain and justify their positions. Trust me, dealing with an audit because someone took aggressive stances to inflate your refund is way worse than getting a smaller legitimate refund upfront. Also, most preparers charge whether you file with them or not, so this could get expensive fast. Consider it an investment in understanding your tax situation better rather than just refund shopping.

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Roger Romero

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This is incredibly helpful to hear from someone who actually works at the IRS! Your point about asking preparers to explain their deductions line by line is spot on. I've been burned before by a preparer who claimed aggressive deductions without properly explaining the risks. One follow-up question - if I do end up with significantly different results from multiple preparers, is there a way to get clarification from the IRS on specific deductions before filing? Or would that just be asking for extra scrutiny on my return? Also, do you happen to know if there are any official IRS resources that help taxpayers understand what documentation they need to support common deductions? Sometimes I feel like I'm flying blind on what records to keep.

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Just want to clarify something important - the 1098-T can be reported on either a payment basis or a billing basis depending on the school. Box 1 shows payments received and Box 2 shows amounts billed. Make sure you check which box your school is using because it makes a huge difference! My university switched from one method to the other between years and it confused the heck out of me.

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This!!! My school used to report in Box 2 (amounts billed) then switched to Box 1 (payments received) and I almost claimed the wrong amount. How can you tell which method they're using?

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You can tell which method your school is using by looking at your 1098-T form directly. If there's an amount in Box 1 ("Payments received for qualified tuition and related expenses"), they're using the payment method. If there's an amount in Box 2 ("Amounts billed for qualified tuition and related expenses"), they're using the billing method. Only one of these boxes should have an amount - the other should be blank or zero. This is super important because it affects how you calculate your education credits!

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This is a really helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation where my spring semester payment from January 2024 isn't showing up on my 2024 1098-T yet, but I made it in early January. Based on what everyone's saying here, it sounds like I need to keep track of my actual payments regardless of what the 1098-T shows. One question though - if I'm claiming expenses that aren't on my 1098-T, do I need to attach any additional forms or documentation when I file my taxes? Or do I just keep the receipts in case of an audit? Want to make sure I'm doing this correctly and not setting myself up for problems later.

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Mateo Warren

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You don't need to attach any additional forms or documentation when you file your taxes - just keep all your payment records (receipts, bank statements, etc.) for your own records in case of an audit. The IRS expects you to have documentation to support your claimed education expenses, but you don't submit it with your return unless specifically requested. Just make sure you're only claiming qualified education expenses (tuition and required fees) and that you have clear records showing the dates and amounts of your payments. The education credit forms (like Form 8863 for the American Opportunity Credit) will ask for the total amount you paid, not necessarily what's on your 1098-T.

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can we just take a moment to laugh at how TERRIBLY the irs communicates with ordinary people?? like who the heck would know what "total credit amount" means without a payroll degree lol. every year its the same story, trying to decode these forms like they're written in ancient egyptian šŸ™„

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Rajiv Kumar

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So true! I literally have a finance degree and still get confused by some of the terminology. Would it kill them to add a simple glossary or explanations on the forms?

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AstroAce

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Totally agree with what others have said - that $7,000 is almost certainly the total federal income tax that was withheld from your paychecks throughout your employment, not something you'll owe. It's actually a good sign that your employer withheld a decent amount! Just to put your mind at ease, when you file your return, this $7,000 (plus any withholding from your current job) will be credited against your total tax liability for the year. If your total tax owed is less than what was withheld, you'll get a refund. If it's more, you'll pay the difference. But that $7,000 represents money you've already paid toward your taxes, not an additional bill. You can double-check by looking at box 2 on your actual W-2 form - that's where federal income tax withheld is officially reported, and it should be close to that $7,000 figure you're seeing.

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Carmen Vega

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Has anyone used TurboTax to report this kind of situation? Does it have a good section for handling insurance payments on rental properties or should I use a different tax software?

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I used TurboTax Premier last year for my rental property that had storm damage. It asked clear questions about insurance payouts and guided me through allocating between repair costs and other uses. Just make sure you choose the version that supports rental properties!

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Natalie Chen

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I dealt with this exact situation last year when my rental unit had flood damage. The key thing to understand is that you need to separate the personal use portion from the rental portion of your property for tax purposes. For the rental portion: If you received $7,800 but only spent $4,600 on actual repairs (the $7,800 minus the $3,200 you used elsewhere), then that $3,200 difference is generally taxable income that should be reported on Schedule E. This is because you essentially converted insurance proceeds into cash for other purposes. For documentation, keep all your receipts for materials you bought for the DIY repairs. The IRS doesn't allow you to count your own labor, but material costs definitely count toward legitimate repair expenses. The insurance company will likely send you a 1099-MISC if the payout was over $600, but that doesn't mean the entire amount is taxable - just that they reported the payment to the IRS. My advice: Calculate what percentage of your property is used for rental, apply that percentage to both the insurance payout and your actual repair costs, then report any excess on Schedule E. Better to be conservative and report it than get caught in an audit later!

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This is really helpful, thank you! Just to clarify - when you say "apply that percentage to both the insurance payout and your actual repair costs" - do you mean I should calculate what portion of my home is rental (let's say 40%) and then only report 40% of that $3,200 excess as taxable income? And would the remaining 60% that relates to my personal residence not be taxable at all? Also, did you have any issues during your audit process, or was having the material receipts sufficient documentation for the IRS?

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Exactly right on the percentage calculation! If 40% of your property is rental, then you'd only report 40% of that $3,200 excess ($1,280) as taxable rental income on Schedule E. The remaining 60% that relates to your personal residence generally wouldn't be taxable, especially if it's less than your adjusted basis in the damaged portion. I wasn't actually audited myself, but I prepared as if I might be. The material receipts were definitely key documentation I kept. I also maintained a simple log showing what repairs I did, when I did them, and photos of the damage and completed repairs. One thing I learned from my tax preparer: if the excess amount is significant, you might want to look into treating it as an "involuntary conversion" under Section 1033, which could let you defer the tax if you reinvest the proceeds in similar property within a certain timeframe. But for smaller amounts like yours, the standard approach of reporting the rental portion as income is usually simpler.

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