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For finding a CPA who specializes in trading-related tax issues, I'd recommend looking for someone who specifically mentions investment taxation or securities trading on their website or LinkedIn profile. The AICPA (American Institute of CPAs) has a directory where you can search by specialty. You can also ask potential CPAs directly about their experience with amended returns for unreported trading activity - any good tax professional should be comfortable discussing their experience with this type of situation since it's become quite common. Another option is to check with local investment clubs or trading groups in your area - they often have recommendations for tax professionals who understand the nuances of active trading. Some CPAs even specialize specifically in day traders and active investors. When you do meet with someone, bring all your Robinhood statements and be upfront about the situation. A good CPA will walk you through the process, explain your options for penalty abatement, and help you set up better record-keeping systems for the future. The peace of mind is definitely worth the cost, especially when you're dealing with multiple years of amendments.
Great advice about finding a CPA with trading experience. I'd also suggest asking about their fee structure upfront - some CPAs charge flat rates for amended returns while others bill hourly. Given that you're dealing with three years of amendments, it's worth getting quotes from a few different professionals. One thing that helped me when I was in a similar situation was preparing a summary of my trading activity before meeting with the CPA - total deposits, current portfolio value, approximate number of trades per year, etc. This gave them a quick sense of the scope and complexity, which helped with both time estimates and pricing. Also, don't be surprised if the CPA recommends filing all the amendments at once rather than spacing them out. There can be some strategic advantages to handling everything simultaneously, especially if you have losses in some years that can offset gains in others.
One more thing to consider - make sure you understand the difference between wash sale rules and regular trading losses before you file those amended returns. If you sold a stock at a loss and then bought the same stock (or a substantially identical security) within 30 days before or after the sale, the IRS considers it a wash sale and you can't deduct the loss immediately. This is especially important for active traders who might buy and sell the same stocks multiple times. Robinhood's 1099 should identify wash sales, but it's worth understanding the rules so you don't make the same mistakes going forward. The wash sale rule is designed to prevent people from artificially creating tax losses while maintaining their investment position. Any disallowed losses get added to the cost basis of the replacement shares, so you don't lose the tax benefit permanently - it just gets deferred until you actually exit the position. Since you mentioned you've been actively trading the same types of stocks over multiple years, this could definitely impact your amended returns. Just another reason why working with a tax professional who understands these rules might be worth the investment.
This is such an important point about wash sales that I hadn't even considered! I definitely have bought and sold the same stocks multiple times - especially some of the popular ones like Apple and Tesla that I kept going back to. I'm starting to realize this whole situation is even more complex than I initially thought. Between the wash sale rules, different tax rates for short vs long-term gains, and trying to figure out the right forms for three years of amendments, I'm definitely going to need professional help. It sounds like the 1099s from Robinhood should at least identify the wash sales for me, which is a relief. I was worried I'd have to go through every single trade manually to figure that out. Do you know if they also show which gains were short-term vs long-term, or is that something I'll need to calculate based on the dates? Thanks for bringing this up - it's exactly the kind of detail I would have missed and probably gotten wrong on the amended returns.
Has anyone here used a CPA for their first year filing jointly? Worth the money or overkill? My wife and I are debating whether to DIY or hire someone for our 2024 taxes.
Welcome to married filing! As someone who went through this transition a few years ago, I can add a couple practical tips to the great advice already shared: Since you got married in December, make sure you update your emergency contact and beneficiary information at work too - not just your W-4s. Also, consider opening a joint savings account specifically for tax purposes if you don't have one already. We found it helpful to have both our tax refunds/payments go to the same account so we could track our joint tax situation more easily. One thing about the mortgage interest deduction - don't forget you can also deduct property taxes paid in 2024, even if they were escrowed. Since you bought in August, you probably have 4-5 months worth. Combined with your mortgage interest, you might be closer to making itemizing worthwhile than you think. The IRS also has a really helpful online tool called the "Interactive Tax Assistant" that can walk you through scenarios specific to newly married couples. It's free and gives you personalized guidance based on your exact situation.
This is really helpful advice! I hadn't thought about the property taxes being deductible too. We definitely had some escrowed property taxes from August through December. Do you know if there's a minimum threshold for how much your itemized deductions need to be to make it worth it over the standard deduction? And thanks for mentioning the Interactive Tax Assistant - I'll definitely check that out. It sounds like exactly what we need as newbies to all this!
This thread has been incredibly educational! I'm new to self-employment and was completely lost on SEP IRA calculations. What really helped me understand was seeing the consistent message across all the different approaches people tried - whether through tax software, calling the IRS, or using specialized tools, everyone confirmed the same basic formula. For anyone else just starting out like me, here's what I took away: Start with your Schedule C net profit, subtract half of your self-employment tax (the "employer portion"), then calculate approximately 20% of that adjusted amount. That's your maximum SEP IRA contribution limit. The explanation about why we subtract half the SE tax (to make us equivalent to W-2 employees) was the lightbulb moment for me. It's not just an arbitrary rule - there's actual logic behind it. I feel much more confident about handling my retirement contributions now, and I know exactly where to look for help if I get stuck again. Thanks everyone for sharing your real experiences and walking through the calculations with actual numbers!
Thank you for summarizing this so clearly! As another newcomer to self-employment, I really appreciate how you broke down the key takeaways. The consistency across all the different methods people used really does give confidence that we're getting the right information. I was initially skeptical about some of the tools mentioned, but seeing multiple people confirm the same calculation through different channels (IRS directly, tax software, plan administrators) makes me feel much better about the accuracy. Your point about the logic behind subtracting half the SE tax is spot on - understanding the "why" makes it so much easier to remember the calculation correctly. This whole thread is going to be my go-to reference when tax season comes around!
As someone who just went through this exact same confusion last month, I can confirm what everyone here is saying is correct! I was getting completely different numbers depending on which online calculator I used, and it was driving me crazy. What finally helped me was finding the actual IRS Publication 560 that someone mentioned earlier. There's a worksheet on page 18 that walks through the calculation step by step. It's basically: Schedule C net profit β subtract half of SE tax β multiply by roughly 20% (or more precisely, divide by 1.25 then multiply by 0.25). For my $75,000 Schedule C profit, I subtracted about $5,300 (half SE tax) to get $69,700, then calculated 20% of that for a max contribution of about $13,940. The key insight for me was realizing this isn't just some random tax rule - it's designed to put us self-employed folks on equal footing with employees who have employer 401k contributions. Once I understood the reasoning, the calculation made so much more sense. Thanks to everyone who shared their real numbers and experiences - it really helps to see concrete examples rather than just theoretical explanations!
Thank you for mentioning Publication 560! As someone brand new to all of this, having the actual IRS source document is incredibly helpful. I've been relying on various online articles and videos, but knowing there's an official worksheet on page 18 gives me much more confidence. Your real example with the $75,000 Schedule C profit really helps me visualize how this works in practice. I'm planning to download that publication tonight and work through the worksheet with my own numbers. It's reassuring to see yet another confirmation of the same calculation method - starting to feel like I can actually handle this self-employment tax stuff after all!
This has been such an educational thread! I'm new to collecting but have been building a vintage watch collection over the past few years. Reading through all these responses has really opened my eyes to the tax implications I hadn't fully considered. One question that comes to mind - for those of us who are active collectors (buying and selling regularly rather than just holding long-term), is there a point where the IRS might consider this a business activity rather than investment/hobby activity? I've been flipping some watches to fund purchases of higher-end pieces, and I'm wondering if that changes the tax treatment from the collectibles capital gains rules we've been discussing to regular business income. Also, @Emily Parker mentioned that short-term capital gains (less than a year) don't get the 28% cap protection - they're taxed as ordinary income at your full marginal rate. For someone in a higher tax bracket, that could mean paying 32% or even 37% on short-term collectible gains, which is significantly higher than the 28% cap on long-term gains. That's a really important distinction for timing sales! Thanks to everyone who mentioned the various tools and resources - I'm definitely going to look into some of the tax calculation tools and record-keeping strategies mentioned here before I make any major sales decisions.
@Layla Sanders You ve'hit on a really important distinction that could significantly impact your tax situation! The IRS does indeed look at whether collecting activity constitutes a business versus investment activity, and it can completely change how your gains are taxed. If the IRS determines you re'running a business frequent (buying/selling for profit, maintaining inventory, spending substantial time on the activity, etc. ,)then your profits would be subject to ordinary income tax rates AND self-employment taxes an (additional 15.3% .)This would actually be worse than even the short-term capital gains treatment you mentioned. The key factors they consider include: frequency of transactions, your expertise in the field, time and effort spent, expectation of profit, and whether it s'your primary source of income. Occasional flipping to upgrade your collection is usually fine, but if you re'doing it regularly and systematically, you might cross into business territory. You re'absolutely right about the short-term vs long-term timing being crucial. I learned this lesson when I sold a vintage Rolex after only 10 months of ownership - ended up paying my full 32% marginal rate instead of the 28% collectibles cap. That extra 4% on a significant gain was painful! Consider consulting with a tax professional who specializes in collectibles if you re'actively trading, as the business vs. investment determination can be pretty fact-specific to your situation.
@Layla Sanders @Kaiya Rivera This is such a crucial point about business vs. investment activity! I ve been'wondering about this same issue with my sports memorabilia collecting. I started buying and selling items to fund better pieces for my collection, but now I m worried'I might have crossed into business territory without realizing it. From what I ve read,'the IRS uses something called the hobby vs. "business test, and" one of the key factors is whether you re making'a profit in 3 out of 5 consecutive years. But even if you re not'profitable, they can still classify it as a business if you re operating'in a business-like manner. @Kaiya Rivera mentioned self-employment taxes on top of ordinary income rates - that s terrifying! An'extra 15.3% plus potentially 37% ordinary income tax could mean paying over 50% on gains instead of the 28% collectibles cap. That s a massive'difference. I think I need to track my activity more carefully and maybe establish clearer boundaries between my collection items held "long-term" and (my trading) items. Has "anyone" here actually dealt with the IRS making this business determination? I d love to'hear about real experiences with this. The timing aspect is definitely something I ll be more'careful about going forward. Thanks for highlighting how expensive that short-term vs. long-term distinction can be!
As someone who's been collecting vintage guitars for over a decade, I wanted to add a perspective on the record-keeping challenges that several people have mentioned. The documentation issue becomes even more complex when you factor in restoration and maintenance costs over many years of ownership. For instruments (and I imagine this applies to other collectibles too), you can potentially add certain improvement costs to your basis - things like professional restoration, new cases, humidity control systems, or even storage facility costs. But you need to distinguish between "improvements" that add value versus regular "maintenance" that just preserves existing value. I learned this the hard way when I sold a 1965 Fender Stratocaster. I had receipts for about $3,000 in professional restoration work over 8 years of ownership, but my accountant told me that some of those costs (like basic setup and cleaning) were maintenance, while others (like refinishing and electronics upgrades) could be added to basis. The distinction saved me several hundred dollars in taxes. Also want to echo what others have said about the business vs. hobby determination - it's really important to be mindful of this if you're actively trading. I deliberately limit myself to selling no more than 2-3 guitars per year to stay clearly in "investment" territory rather than risk being classified as a dealer. The 28% cap has definitely influenced my selling strategy. I try to time major sales for years when my regular income puts me in lower brackets, since every dollar of regular income affects how much of the collectible gain gets taxed at the full 28%.
This is exactly the kind of detailed insight I was hoping to find! @Sean Doyle your point about distinguishing between improvements vs. maintenance for basis calculations is something I never would have thought of. I ve'got a small collection of vintage audio equipment that I ve'had professionally serviced over the years, and now I m'wondering which of those costs I can legitimately add to my basis. The strategic approach you mention about limiting sales to 2-3 items per year to avoid dealer classification is really smart. It sounds like you ve'found a good balance between enjoying the collection and managing the tax implications. Your comment about timing sales for lower income years is brilliant too - I hadn t'considered how my regular income fluctuations could be used strategically with the 28% cap. If I have a lower earning year, more of my collectible gains would be taxed at my lower marginal rate rather than hitting the full 28% cap. Do you happen to know if there are any IRS guidelines that specifically address what constitutes improvements "vs" maintenance "for" collectibles? It seems like this could be a gray area where documentation and reasonable interpretation are key. Thanks for sharing your real-world experience - this thread has been incredibly educational for someone just starting to think seriously about the tax implications of collecting!
Sofia Torres
Thanks everyone for clarifying this! I had no idea about the special attorney reporting rules. I'm definitely going to need to issue that 1099-NEC for my $500 payment then. Quick follow-up question - since I didn't get a W-9 from the attorney upfront (rookie mistake), should I reach out to them now to request it? Or is there a specific deadline I need to meet for getting their tax ID info? I want to make sure I handle this properly and don't miss any important filing deadlines. Also, does anyone know if law firms vs. individual attorneys have different reporting requirements, or is it the same rule regardless?
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Keisha Thompson
β’You should definitely reach out to the attorney ASAP to get their W-9! The deadline for collecting W-9s is actually before you make the payment, but since that ship has sailed, get it now. You'll need their tax ID info before you can file the 1099-NEC, and the filing deadline is January 31st for the current tax year. Regarding law firms vs individual attorneys - the reporting requirement is the same regardless. Whether it's a solo practitioner or a big firm, any payment for legal services requires a 1099-NEC no matter the amount. The key is that you're paying for legal services, not who's providing them. Most attorneys are used to this request and should provide the W-9 quickly since they know it's required. If they give you any pushback, just explain it's an IRS requirement for all payments to attorneys.
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Libby Hassan
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm a small business owner and had been completely unaware of the special reporting rules for attorney payments. I paid my business lawyer $475 last year for contract review and was planning to skip the 1099-NEC since it was under $600. I'm glad I stumbled across this discussion before filing season gets into full swing. It's frustrating that the rules are different for attorneys compared to other service providers - seems like something that should be more widely known or clearly communicated by the IRS. Does anyone know if there are other professions that have similar special reporting rules with no minimum threshold? I want to make sure I'm not missing any other payments that need 1099s regardless of amount.
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Connor O'Neill
β’Great question about other professions with special reporting rules! Besides attorneys, there are a few other categories that have unique 1099 requirements: Medical and health care payments also have special rules - payments to physicians, hospitals, and other medical providers often require reporting regardless of amount in certain situations, particularly when made by insurance companies or third-party administrators. Fishing boat proceeds have their own rules too - payments to crew members on fishing boats require 1099-MISC reporting with no minimum threshold. Also, substitute payments in lieu of dividends or tax-exempt interest have special reporting requirements regardless of amount. The key is that these professions or payment types have heightened IRS scrutiny, so they want visibility into all payments, not just those over $600. It's definitely frustrating that these exceptions aren't more clearly communicated - most small business owners learn about them the hard way like you almost did! I'd recommend keeping a list of these special categories handy for future reference, especially if you regularly work with professionals in these fields.
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