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Don't forget that even after you file your corrected returns, you might still qualify for a payment plan or even an Offer in Compromise if you can't pay the full amount. The IRS Fresh Start program has made it easier to settle tax debts for less than the full amount if you can prove financial hardship. I was in a similar situation with about $22K in tax debt after SFRs were filed. After submitting my own returns, it dropped to around $14K, but I still couldn't pay it all. I qualified for an Offer in Compromise and settled the entire debt for about $4,800 paid over 24 months.
How hard was it to get approved for the Offer in Compromise? I've heard they reject most applications. Did you need to hire someone to help with that process?
It's definitely not automatic, but it's not as impossible as some people claim. The key is proving that you genuinely cannot pay the full amount without causing significant financial hardship. You need to document all your income, expenses, assets, and liabilities very thoroughly. I did it myself using the IRS's pre-qualifier tool first to see if I might qualify. The paperwork is extensive - Form 656 and Form 433-A mainly - and you need to include a lot of documentation. It took about 7 months from submission to acceptance. They did counter my initial offer with a slightly higher amount, which I accepted. You don't necessarily need to hire someone, but you do need to be very organized and thorough with your financial documentation.
Make sure you check if the statute of limitations for collections has expired on any of your tax debts! The IRS generally has 10 years from the date of assessment to collect taxes. If they filed substitutes for returns from 2001-2007, some of those might be approaching or past the collection statute expiration date.
But doesn't filing your own return reset that 10-year clock? I heard that submitting anything to the IRS about old tax years can restart the collection period.
Another option - check if your daycare is registered with your state's licensing agency for childcare providers. Many states have online databases where you can look up licensed daycares, and sometimes they include the EIN or at least a state tax ID you could use temporarily. Also, if you've paid them through any kind of app or payment system (like brightwheel, Venmo for Business, etc.), sometimes the tax info is available there in the payment details or receipts.
That's a really good suggestion about the state licensing database! I just checked my state's childcare portal and found our daycare, but unfortunately it only shows their state license number, not their federal EIN. I pay them by check so no digital payment records either. I think I'm going to try the "Applied For" option that the first commenter suggested, and then follow up with the daycare on Monday to get the correct number. Thanks everyone for all the suggestions!
If none of the other suggestions work, could you maybe ask other parents who use the same daycare? One of them might have the EIN from doing their taxes already. I ended up getting my son's afterschool program's EIN from another mom in our Facebook parents group last year when I was in the same situation.
This! Parent networks are amazing for this stuff. Also, sometimes daycares have their EIN on their website in the FAQs or enrollment sections. Worth checking if they have a site.
I just want to add that as someone who prepares taxes professionally, everything your tax preparer is asking for is completely standard. In fact, I request the EXACT same documentation from my clients with home-based businesses. The reason we ask for full bills rather than just "the business portion" is that we need to calculate that business portion correctly. For example, with square footage, we determine what percentage of your home is used exclusively for business, then apply that percentage to certain expenses. For vehicles, we need to know if the standard mileage deduction or actual expenses would be more beneficial. Without the full information, we can't make that determination. And yes, filing a final return for your father is absolutely required. The IRS doesn't waive this requirement upon death. Your mother will file as married filing jointly for the year of his passing.
Quick follow-up question - I'm in a similar situation and wondering about home internet. My tax person wants my entire internet bill even though I only use it part-time for business. Is that normal too?
Yes, that's completely normal. Your tax preparer needs your entire internet bill because they'll calculate the business portion based on a reasonable allocation method. This might be based on time used for business vs. personal, the percentage of your home used for business, or another reasonable method. They need the full bill to document both the total cost and to show how they calculated the business portion. This is important documentation if you're ever audited. The IRS wants to see that you're only deducting the legitimate business portion of mixed-use expenses.
Something important to add regarding the home office deduction - make sure the space you're claiming is used EXCLUSIVELY for business. This is a major audit trigger. If your "home office" doubles as a guest room or home gym, it doesn't qualify. Also, the vehicle deduction requires a mileage log. You can't just estimate at the end of the year. Your tax preparer is asking for the right documentation to keep you protected.
The big red flag I see is that your federal deductions dropped from $18,550 to $12,950 while your income went UP significantly. That doesn't make sense unless you lost some major deductions. Did you have mortgage interest, significant charitable contributions, or other itemized deductions last year that you didn't have this year? Also, your federal taxes seem reasonable with the refund, but something is definitely off with the state taxes. Which states did you move from/to? Some states have MUCH higher income tax rates than others.
Not OP but the standard deduction for single filers was $12,950 for 2022. So it looks like they probably itemized last year ($18,550) but took the standard deduction this year which would make sense if they had a mortgage before but maybe not after moving.
Make sure you check if you paid taxes to both states on the same income. When you move mid-year, you become a part-year resident of both states. Some states are really aggressive about claiming as much of your income as possible. Also, if your $9k bonus was taxed at a flat 22% federal withholding rate (which is standard for bonuses), but your actual tax bracket is higher, that could explain part of the underpayment. You may want to fill out a new W-4 with your employer and possibly add an additional withholding amount per paycheck to avoid this happening again next year.
JacksonHarris
Has anyone compared the current fees between the different processors? Last year I used ACI Payments and their fee was ridiculous - almost 2.2% for my Visa. If the fees are actually dropping I might consider using my credit card again this year.
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Anthony Young
ā¢I just checked a few days ago! The fees have definitely come down. ACI Payments is around 1.98% now for credit cards, and Pay1040 is showing 1.87% for most credit cards. Debit card fees are still flat rate (around $2.50-$3.95 per transaction depending on processor). One thing to watch for - sometimes the different processors have special deals with specific card types. Like Pay1040 has a lower rate for Mastercard than Visa right now.
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JacksonHarris
ā¢Thanks for the current info! That's actually a decent drop from last year. With my 2% cashback card, I might actually break even or come out slightly ahead using Pay1040. Going to run the numbers before my next estimated payment. Just to confirm - the 2 payment limit is still per processor, right? So technically I could do 2 payments with Pay1040 and 2 more with ACI if I needed to split up a large amount?
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Jeremiah Brown
Does anyone know if the IRS will actually start accepting direct credit card payments in 2025? That would be amazing! The current system with these third-party processors is so annoying.
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Daniel Washington
ā¢I've heard rumors about this from some colleagues, but nothing official from the IRS yet. They've been modernizing their payment systems gradually, but direct credit card acceptance would require significant infrastructure changes on their end. The main challenge is regulatory - currently, federal agencies can't directly absorb credit card processing fees or pass them on to taxpayers without specific authorization. There was some language in the IRS funding bills about payment modernization, but no explicit timeline for direct credit card acceptance. I'd be surprised if it happened as soon as 2025, but it's definitely on their roadmap for future improvements. The current third-party processor system is clunky for everyone involved.
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Jeremiah Brown
ā¢Thanks for the insight! That makes sense about the regulatory challenges. Seems like everything with the IRS moves at a glacial pace. Guess I'll have to keep dealing with these processors and their fees for a while longer.
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