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Make sure you also consider state taxes! I did a one-time gig last year and completely forgot that I needed to pay state tax on the income too. Some states have different thresholds than federal for self-employment reporting.
Good point about state taxes! I'm in Illinois - do you know if they have any special rules for small amounts of self-employment income? I'm already stressing about the federal forms.
Illinois follows the federal guidelines pretty closely for self-employment income. They don't have a separate self-employment tax, but you do need to report that income on your IL-1040 form. The $842 will flow through to your state return once you've completed the Schedule C for your federal taxes. It's actually pretty straightforward on the state side compared to the federal requirements.
Don't forget to check if you're required to make estimated tax payments next year! If you expect to owe more than $1000 in taxes when you file, you might need to make quarterly payments to avoid penalties.
This is such overkill for a one-time payment under $1000. The tax system is ridiculous for small amounts. In other countries they make this so much easier!
Thanks for bringing this up! I don't plan on doing more freelance work this year, this was really just a favor for my cousin. Based on my regular tax situation I usually get a refund of about $800, so I'm guessing this small amount won't push me over that $1000 threshold?
One aspect nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you're calculating the actual tax impact correctly. If your taxable income is increasing by $5, the tax difference isn't $5 - it's $5 multiplied by your marginal tax rate. So if you were in the 22% bracket, we're talking about $1.10 in additional tax. I filed late 8606 forms for 3 years after messing up my backdoor Roth process, and included a simple cover letter that said: "I recently became aware of the requirement to file Form 8606 to track nondeductible contributions to my traditional IRA. I am submitting these forms now to properly establish basis. As these contributions were nondeductible, no tax advantage was gained by the oversight." No penalties were assessed. The IRS has much bigger issues to worry about than people who are voluntarily correcting their returns for minimal or zero tax impact.
Thanks for pointing out the actual tax difference! I was thinking about the $5 of income, not the actual tax amount which would be even smaller. That makes me feel better about the situation. Did you send your late 8606 forms with an amended return or just on their own with the cover letter? I'm debating both approaches and trying to figure out the easiest way to handle this without triggering unnecessary scrutiny.
I sent the late 8606 forms on their own with just the cover letter since they didn't actually change my tax liability for those years. The 8606 forms were just establishing basis for future use. In your case, since you do have a small change to your actual tax liability for 2019, I'd probably file an amended return for that specific year along with all the 8606 forms and a comprehensive cover letter explaining both issues. The reality is that the IRS isn't going to launch an audit over a dollar and change, but it's still technically the correct way to handle it. And having everything documented properly will save headaches down the road if you ever need to reference your IRA basis.
Is no one going to mention that there's a "First Time Abatement" policy that the IRS typically grants for penalties if you have a clean compliance history? I had a similar situation last year and just called and asked for first time penalty abatement for the late 8606 forms, and they granted it immediately. Didn't even need a long explanation letter.
First Time Abatement is for failure-to-file and failure-to-pay penalties on returns, not specifically for the $50 penalty for late 8606 forms. Those are two different types of penalties. Are you sure that's what you received?
One thing to be super careful about when filling out Form 4852 - make sure you're calculating your Social Security and Medicare taxes correctly. Those are usually 6.2% for Social Security (on the first $168,600 for 2025) and 1.45% for Medicare (on all earnings). I messed this up last year when dealing with a missing W-2 and it caused my return to get flagged for review, which delayed my refund by almost 2 months.
Is there a specific place on the tax return where we note that we're using Form 4852 instead of a W-2? Or does just attaching the form take care of that?
Just attaching the Form 4852 to your return takes care of it - there's no special place you need to note it elsewhere on your return. The form itself has a field where you explain why you're using it instead of the W-2 (missing W-2, incorrect W-2, etc.), which gives the IRS all the information they need.
Has anyone used TurboTax with Form 4852? My situation is basically identical to the original poster, but I'm not sure if the tax software will handle this correctly or if I need to file on paper this year.
Yes! TurboTax actually handles this pretty well. When you get to the income section, there's an option that says something like "I don't have a W-2" or "My employer didn't give me a W-2." If you select that, it walks you through entering all the information from your paystubs and generates Form 4852 automatically.
13 Have you checked if any of your tax credits changed? I had something similar happen when I turned 25 and suddenly wasn't eligible for some education credits. Also, did you have any side income or unemployment at all? Even a small amount can change your refund pretty dramatically sometimes.
1 I didn't have any side income and I don't think I had any special credits before. I've always just taken the standard deduction since my situation is pretty simple. I did pick up more hours at work toward the end of the year but I didn't think that would affect things so much.
13 The additional hours actually might be a big part of it. If you earned significantly more in the last quarter of the year, the withholding system might not have adjusted properly. The system typically assumes you'll earn the same amount consistently throughout the year. Another thing to check is if you had any changes to your health insurance situation. If you started getting insurance through your employer or had marketplace coverage with premium tax credits, these can significantly impact your refund calculation.
9 Did you check if your filing status changed? Sometimes people accidentally select the wrong option (like going from Single to Head of Household or vice versa) and it dramatically changes the refund amount.
4 This is a good point. I've seen this happen with friends who didn't realize that just checking different boxes could change their refund by hundreds of dollars. Especially things like whether someone can claim you as a dependent.
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8 Don't overthink the W-4! I'm a payroll specialist and see people stress about this all the time. Quick tip: the IRS withholding calculator is your best friend for complicated situations like yours. Just Google "IRS tax withholding estimator" and it'll walk you through everything. You'll both need to update your W-4s for best results.
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ā¢1 I tried using that IRS calculator but got stuck when it asked for YTD income and withholding amounts. Since I haven't started the job yet, I don't have that info. Should I just put zeros?
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ā¢8 For your new job, yes, you would put zeros for the YTD income and withholding since you haven't started yet. The calculator will still work - it'll just base the calculations on projected amounts for the remainder of the year. For your wife, you should use her actual YTD information from her most recent paystub. That way, the calculator can give you the most accurate recommendation based on what's already happened this year and what's projected to happen with both incomes going forward.
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17 Has anyone used the IRS online portal to adjust withholding throughout the year? I'm wondering if it's better to start with a "safe" W-4 filing and then adjust as needed.
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ā¢3 The IRS doesn't have an "online portal" for W-4 adjustments - you have to submit a new W-4 to your employer anytime you want to change withholding. I usually file a new W-4 quarterly since my commission income fluctuates. Most HR departments let you update it anytime.
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