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Just wanted to add something I learned the hard way - if you DO decide to file Form 1116, make sure you have all the correct information. Last year I claimed $8 in foreign tax and decided to file the form (before I knew about the $300 exception). I messed up some allocation on the form and ended up getting a letter from the IRS six months later asking for clarification. Nothing serious, but it was a headache to deal with for such a small amount.
Did you end up having to amend your return or pay any penalties for the Form 1116 mistake? I'm leaning toward just not claiming the credit at all at this point.
No penalties or amendments needed, thankfully. I just had to send in some additional documentation to clarify how I calculated the credit. But it was definitely an unnecessary hassle for $8! For your $1.99 credit, I absolutely wouldn't bother claiming it if it requires paying for software upgrades. Even beyond the immediate cost, the potential for questions or confusion just isn't worth it for such a small amount. The IRS certainly won't flag you for not claiming a credit you're entitled to - that's your choice.
I'm using FreeTaxUSA this year after years with TurboTax, and Form 1116 is included in their regular price ($0 federal, $15 state). Might be worth looking into if you want to claim it. But honestly for $1.99, I'd just skip claiming it entirely.
FreeTaxUSA has been my go-to for years. So much cheaper than TurboTax and includes most forms. I've claimed foreign tax credit with them without issues.
Don't forget that if you're still holding the remaining 171 shares, you'll want to keep extremely detailed records of your cost basis for when you eventually sell! I learned this the hard way. My company did 3 acquisitions over 5 years, which meant our stock went through multiple conversions. When I finally sold shares last year, I had absolutely zero documentation from the original grants 8 years ago. Ended up having to piece everything together from old paystubs and emails. I'd recommend creating a spreadsheet right now with: - Grant date - Vest date - FMV on vest date - Number of shares - Any adjustments for stock splits/mergers Trust me, future you will be eternally grateful when you need this info 5+ years from now!
Is there a good template for tracking this? My company has done RSUs, ISOs, and ESPPs over the years and I'm already losing track of which shares came from where and when each lot vested.
I don't have a specific template, but I created one in Google Sheets that works well. The key columns I use are: Grant Type (RSU/ISO/ESPP), Grant Date, Vest Date, Shares Granted, Shares Vested, FMV at Grant, FMV at Vest, Shares Sold for Taxes, Net Shares Received, and Cost Basis per Share. I also add notes for any corporate actions like splits or mergers that affected share counts. This has saved me countless hours at tax time. The most important thing is to update it immediately when new shares vest, because trying to reconstruct this later is a nightmare.
Is anyone else's broker just completely useless with providing this info? My company uses E*Trade and their 1099-B just shows the proceeds from the shares sold for taxes but nothing about the actual RSU grant or vesting details. And their customer service people just read from scripts and don't understand RSU tax treatment at all.
One aspect nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you're calculating the actual tax impact correctly. If your taxable income is increasing by $5, the tax difference isn't $5 - it's $5 multiplied by your marginal tax rate. So if you were in the 22% bracket, we're talking about $1.10 in additional tax. I filed late 8606 forms for 3 years after messing up my backdoor Roth process, and included a simple cover letter that said: "I recently became aware of the requirement to file Form 8606 to track nondeductible contributions to my traditional IRA. I am submitting these forms now to properly establish basis. As these contributions were nondeductible, no tax advantage was gained by the oversight." No penalties were assessed. The IRS has much bigger issues to worry about than people who are voluntarily correcting their returns for minimal or zero tax impact.
Thanks for pointing out the actual tax difference! I was thinking about the $5 of income, not the actual tax amount which would be even smaller. That makes me feel better about the situation. Did you send your late 8606 forms with an amended return or just on their own with the cover letter? I'm debating both approaches and trying to figure out the easiest way to handle this without triggering unnecessary scrutiny.
I sent the late 8606 forms on their own with just the cover letter since they didn't actually change my tax liability for those years. The 8606 forms were just establishing basis for future use. In your case, since you do have a small change to your actual tax liability for 2019, I'd probably file an amended return for that specific year along with all the 8606 forms and a comprehensive cover letter explaining both issues. The reality is that the IRS isn't going to launch an audit over a dollar and change, but it's still technically the correct way to handle it. And having everything documented properly will save headaches down the road if you ever need to reference your IRA basis.
Is no one going to mention that there's a "First Time Abatement" policy that the IRS typically grants for penalties if you have a clean compliance history? I had a similar situation last year and just called and asked for first time penalty abatement for the late 8606 forms, and they granted it immediately. Didn't even need a long explanation letter.
First Time Abatement is for failure-to-file and failure-to-pay penalties on returns, not specifically for the $50 penalty for late 8606 forms. Those are two different types of penalties. Are you sure that's what you received?
Has anyone actually tried talking to the dealer about this? When I was in a similar situation last year, my dealer was willing to officially "deliver" the vehicle in January instead of December, even though it had arrived at their lot. They just held it an extra week and dated all the paperwork for January 2nd.
I actually did ask the dealer about this yesterday! They seemed open to the idea but weren't sure about the legal implications. Did you have any issues with the financing company or insurance when they delayed the official delivery date? What documentation did you end up using to prove the January delivery date to the IRS?
I didn't have any issues with financing or insurance. The dealer simply scheduled the "delivery appointment" for January 2nd, and all paperwork was dated that day - including the sale agreement, registration application, and delivery receipt. The loan wasn't finalized until that day either. For IRS documentation, I used the dated purchase agreement, the vehicle registration that showed the January date, and made sure the dealer noted "delivery date" specifically on the paperwork. I took pictures of me picking up the car on that date too, just to be safe. The key is having all official paperwork consistently show the January date.
I think everyone is overcomplicating this. I purchased my Tesla in late December 2022 but couldn't get it registered until January 2023 because the DMV was closed for the holidays. My accountant said the "placed in service" date was when it was registered, not delivered, and I successfully claimed the full credit without any issues.
That's not accurate advice and could potentially cause problems for the OP. The IRS is clear that "placed in service" is generally when you take possession and the vehicle is ready for use, not the registration date. Your situation may have worked out, but that doesn't mean it follows IRS guidelines. Registration timing doesn't determine the placed in service date.
Pedro Sawyer
13 Have you checked if any of your tax credits changed? I had something similar happen when I turned 25 and suddenly wasn't eligible for some education credits. Also, did you have any side income or unemployment at all? Even a small amount can change your refund pretty dramatically sometimes.
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Pedro Sawyer
ā¢1 I didn't have any side income and I don't think I had any special credits before. I've always just taken the standard deduction since my situation is pretty simple. I did pick up more hours at work toward the end of the year but I didn't think that would affect things so much.
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Pedro Sawyer
ā¢13 The additional hours actually might be a big part of it. If you earned significantly more in the last quarter of the year, the withholding system might not have adjusted properly. The system typically assumes you'll earn the same amount consistently throughout the year. Another thing to check is if you had any changes to your health insurance situation. If you started getting insurance through your employer or had marketplace coverage with premium tax credits, these can significantly impact your refund calculation.
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Pedro Sawyer
9 Did you check if your filing status changed? Sometimes people accidentally select the wrong option (like going from Single to Head of Household or vice versa) and it dramatically changes the refund amount.
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Pedro Sawyer
ā¢4 This is a good point. I've seen this happen with friends who didn't realize that just checking different boxes could change their refund by hundreds of dollars. Especially things like whether someone can claim you as a dependent.
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