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I'm an international trade specialist (not a tax expert), and I can tell you that a pure tariff system would violate numerous international trade agreements including WTO rules. The US would face massive legal challenges and retaliatory tariffs that would likely cancel out any perceived benefits. Historically, high tariff periods in US history (like Smoot-Hawley in the 1930s) have been disastrous for the economy. They reduce trade, increase consumer prices, and generally lead to economic contraction. Most economists across the political spectrum view tariffs as inefficient taxes that create market distortions.

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But weren't tariffs the main source of government revenue before the income tax was created? So it's been done before, right?

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Yes, tariffs were the primary federal revenue source in the 19th century, but the federal government was also tiny compared to today - no Social Security, Medicare, modern military, etc. The entire federal budget in 1900 was about $0.5 billion (adjusted for inflation, that's still less than 0.1% of today's federal budget). The global economy is also completely different now. In the 19th century, international trade was a much smaller percentage of the economy, and supply chains weren't globally integrated like they are today. Imposing massive tariffs in today's interconnected global economy would have far more significant and immediate disruptive effects than it did 150 years ago.

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Sayid Hassan

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Does anyone know what tax software would do if this happened? I work for a small business and we pay for expensive tax prep software every year. Would those companies just go out of business?

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Rachel Tao

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Tax software companies would definitely take a hit, but they'd probably pivot to helping businesses comply with the new tariff system. Companies like Intuit (TurboTax) and H&R Block are pretty good at adapting to tax changes. They might focus more on helping businesses understand import costs and tariff implications.

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Simon White

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you have a spouse and file jointly, your spouse can file an injured spouse claim (Form 8379) to get their portion of the refund protected from your debts. My husband had old student loans, and we were able to still get part of our refund by filing this form.

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Josef Tearle

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That's really good to know but unfortunately I'm single so that won't help in my situation. Do you know if there's anything similar for individual filers? Like some kind of hardship exception?

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Simon White

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There is a hardship exception you can request, but it's very specific to each type of debt. For federal student loans, you'd need to contact your loan servicer directly to request a hardship exception to the offset. They'll send you paperwork to prove extreme financial hardship. For state tax debts, you'd need to contact your state tax authority directly - each state has different criteria for hardship exceptions. Just be aware that these exceptions are pretty rare and usually require documented evidence of severe financial distress. Things like pending eviction, utility shutoffs, or medical emergencies sometimes qualify.

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Hugo Kass

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Has anyone tried adjusting their withholding to get less of a refund? I got hit with an offset last year and my tax guy suggested changing my W-4 so I get more in each paycheck and less of a refund. That way there's less for them to take at tax time.

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I did this after getting burned by an offset two years in a row. Changed my withholding so I'm just about even at tax time instead of getting a big refund. Now I put the extra amount from each paycheck into a separate savings account. Even if I still owe the debt, at least I'm controlling when and how much I pay instead of having the whole lump sum taken.

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FYI for anyone using TPG - the timing can vary depending on your bank too. For me, once the amount showed in TPG, it took exactly 2 business days to change to "funded" and then another day for the money to actually hit my checking account. My credit union seems to process ACH transfers slower than some of the bigger banks.

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Any idea if there's a specific time of day TPG usually updates the status? I've been checking mine literally every hour lol.

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In my experience, TPG tends to update their systems overnight, so many status changes appear first thing in the morning. I noticed my status changed from "amount showing" to "funded" around 4am when I checked (I was up with a sick kid). The actual deposit to my bank account happened mid-afternoon the following day. If you filed with a major tax preparer that partners with TPG, you might also be able to set up text or email alerts for status changes so you don't have to keep checking manually.

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Ravi Sharma

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Does anyone know why some people get their refunds direct from IRS while others go through TPG? This is my first year seeing this TPG stuff and I'm confused why my money has to go through a middleman at all???

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TPG usually handles your refund if you chose to have your tax preparation fees deducted from your refund instead of paying upfront. They're basically fronting the money for your preparation fees, then getting paid back when your refund comes.

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Esteban Tate

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Something important nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you're calculating the loss correctly. It's not just what it costs to replace the stolen/damaged items. For tax purposes, casualty loss is the lesser of: 1) Your adjusted basis in the property (usually what you paid plus improvements) 2) The decrease in fair market value caused by the casualty/theft So if you bought a couch 5 years ago for $1000 that's now only worth $400 (before theft), your casualty loss would be $400, not $1000. This catches a lot of people off guard.

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So does that mean if something old gets stolen, you basically get no deduction because it was already depreciated in value? Like if thieves take a 10-year-old TV that's practically worthless now but costs $500 to replace?

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Esteban Tate

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That's exactly right - and it's why casualty losses often end up being less than people expect. If your 10-year-old TV had depreciated to a fair market value of only $50 before it was stolen, that's your deduction amount (not the $500 replacement cost). However, for the business/rental portion of your property, you've likely been taking depreciation deductions already, so your adjusted basis should align more closely with the current value. This is actually one advantage of the business portion of casualty losses - they're generally calculated based on the depreciated value that you've been reporting for tax purposes all along.

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Random but important tip: if your deductible exceeds your loss so you don't file an insurance claim, still document EVERYTHING as if you were filing. Take dated photos, get written repair estimates, and keep all receipts. The IRS is super picky about casualty loss documentation. I got audited for a rental property casualty loss and they wanted proof I tried to recover through insurance first before claiming the tax deduction. Luckily I had emails with my insurance agent discussing the claim and how it was below my deductible.

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What if you don't have before photos of everything? My storage shed at my rental got broken into last month and I honestly don't have pictures of what was in there before.

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Miguel Ortiz

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Don't forget to look into penalty abatement! If this is your first time having tax issues (sounds like it is), you can request what's called "First-Time Penalty Abatement" which can reduce your total by removing the failure-to-pay penalties. This won't eliminate your tax debt, but it could knock off a significant chunk of what you owe. You'll still need to pay the actual tax amount and interest, but removing penalties helps a lot. Also, make sure you've fixed your W-4 with your employer immediately so you don't keep digging a deeper hole!

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I haven't heard about the penalty abatement before! That would be amazing if I could reduce the amount at all. And yes, I fixed my W-4 immediately when I discovered the issue - now they're withholding the correct amount (actually a bit extra to try to make up some ground). Is the penalty abatement something I can apply for myself or do I need to hire someone?

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Miguel Ortiz

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You can absolutely request penalty abatement yourself! Call the IRS (or use that Claimyr service someone mentioned if you're having trouble getting through) and specifically ask for "First-Time Penalty Abatement." Explain that you've had a good compliance history before this mistake, and that you've already fixed your W-4 to prevent it from happening again. Be polite and straightforward with the IRS agent. They can often approve this over the phone. If they do deny you for some reason, you can also submit a written request. Just make sure you're specific about requesting the First-Time Abatement provision - sometimes less experienced agents aren't familiar with it.

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Just wanted to add that I went through almost this exact situation last year! I accidentally claimed exempt when I started a new job and ended up owing around $10K. I panicked too. I ended up calling the IRS directly and setting up a payment plan. My monthly payment is $178 for 72 months. They were actually really understanding about the whole thing. The person I spoke with explained that this happens WAY more often than you'd think. Don't waste your money on one of those tax relief companies you see advertising on TV. Most of them charge thousands of dollars to do exactly what you can do yourself for free.

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QuantumQuest

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Did you get hit with a lot of penalties and interest? I'm curious how much extra you ended up paying because of the mistake.

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