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Yuki Tanaka

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One option nobody's mentioned is to just redesignate that transfer retroactively. I'm also an S-Corp owner and my accountant told me I can document that initial transfer as a "shareholder advance" that will be counted toward my reasonable salary when I run payroll. Basically, you're pre-paying yourself, and when you run payroll, you just need to account for taxes and issue yourself a smaller net paycheck since you've already received most of the money. Just make sure your payroll service knows how to handle this correctly, and you'll need good documentation. I do this regularly - take money when I need it, then formalize it through payroll later.

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Is this really legit though? Don't you have to run actual payroll with proper tax withholdings at the time you take the money? I've been stressing about making sure everything is by-the-book with my new S-Corp.

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Yuki Tanaka

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This is absolutely legitimate as long as you properly document and account for everything. When you run payroll, you'll calculate the full gross salary amount, withhold all required taxes, and then reduce the net check by the amount you already advanced yourself. For example, if your reasonable salary is $5,000 monthly and you already took $3,000 as an advance, when you run payroll, you'll still calculate taxes on the full $5,000, but the net check would only be around $2,000 (minus the taxes on the full amount). This ensures all proper employment taxes are paid on your full reasonable compensation. Just make sure your payroll system can handle this "adjustment" or "reimbursement" properly.

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Klaus Schmidt

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My CPA told me this isn't actually as big a deal as people make it out to be for a new S-Corp with only a few months of operation. As long as you establish a reasonable salary before the end of the tax year and properly document everything, minor sequence mistakes in your first year typically won't trigger an audit. The reasonable compensation test is primarily looking at the entire tax year picture, not whether you took a specific distribution a few weeks before establishing payroll. Just don't make it a habit going forward!

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Aisha Patel

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Agreed! I did something similar my first year and my accountant just had me document everything carefully. The important thing is the year-end picture looks right. S-Corps get in trouble when they take massive distributions and tiny salaries over the course of entire years, not when they make minor timing errors while learning the ropes.

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Omar Zaki

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Another important thing to consider is whether either of your parents could be claimed as a Qualifying Widow(er) rather than single. This could affect their own tax situation even if you're claiming them as dependents. If either parent had a spouse who died in the last two years and they have a dependent child living with them, they might qualify for this advantageous filing status. It probably doesn't apply in your case, but worth double-checking.

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Thanks for bringing this up, but I don't think it applies in our situation. Both my parents are alive but separated. Neither of them has dependent children living with them - my brother and I are both adults supporting them, not living with them. But good to know about this filing status for future reference!

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Omar Zaki

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You're right, it doesn't apply in your specific situation. I just wanted to mention it since it's something people often overlook. Another consideration is that if either of your parents receives Social Security benefits, claiming them as a dependent might affect how those benefits are taxed. Usually only matters if they have other significant income alongside Social Security, but something to be aware of.

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AstroAce

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Dont forget that the depdent tax deduction isn't huge anymore since the tax laws changed. It's not like the old days where each dependent gave you a big exemption. Make sure its actually worth the potential hassle.

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Chloe Martin

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That's not entirely accurate. While the personal exemption was suspended, there's still a $500 credit for non-child dependents. Plus, claiming a parent as a dependent might allow you to file as Head of Household (if they live with you), which has more favorable tax rates and a higher standard deduction. You might also be able to deduct medical expenses you pay for them. Definitely can be worth it.

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How to file taxes as Self-employed for tax purposes with foreign mission income

I'm really confused about how to handle my tax situation and hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I still haven't filed my 2023 taxes. Last year I worked at a foreign mission, and since I'm a citizen of that country, I don't have to pay income tax. But I still need to pay self-employment tax (social security + medicare). The mission couldn't withhold any taxes, so I had to make quarterly estimated tax payments, which I did on time. My employer gave me something similar to a W-2 showing my final taxable earnings. Looking at those numbers, I think I actually paid the correct amount or maybe even overpaid slightly. Someone told me I should file a 1040 and Schedule SE, but whenever I try to fill out the SE form, I get completely lost. I probably need to file paper forms since I'm late and because tax software doesn't seem to handle this situation well (the only workaround seems to be zeroing out the income on the 1040). A couple years ago I filed with Schedule C which I think was wrong since I don't actually have a business. I'm hesitant to pay for an accountant since I'm not expecting a refund, and this should be relatively straightforward. I've tried asking at free tax clinics, but nobody seems to know how to handle this situation. Since I already paid my estimated taxes, could I just skip filing altogether? I don't work at the mission anymore, so going forward I'll have regular W-2 income that any tax software can handle (I have no assets and no deductions). Does anyone know how I can properly complete this on paper? Any help would be super appreciated!

Anna Stewart

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Wait, so if you work for a foreign mission but are a US citizen, do you have to follow the same process? My situation is different because I do owe income tax as a US citizen, but my employer doesn't withhold anything. Been doing quarterly payments but not sure if I file Schedule C or just regular W-2 income or what?

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Aaliyah Reed

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As a US citizen working for a foreign mission, your situation is actually a bit different. You DO owe both income tax and self-employment tax since US citizens are taxed on worldwide income. You wouldn't use Schedule C because you're an employee, not a business owner. Instead, you'd report your income on Line 1 of Form 1040 as wages, then complete Schedule SE to calculate your self-employment tax obligation. Make sure you're getting credit for those quarterly payments by reporting them on your return. And keep good records of everything because this situation often triggers questions from the IRS simply because it's less common.

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Anna Stewart

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Thanks for clearing that up! So basically treat it like regular wage income on the 1040, but also file Schedule SE for the self-employment portion? And I assume my quarterly payments go on the 1040-ES line? Do I need any special statement or form since my employer gave me their country's version of income documentation rather than a W-2?

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Layla Sanders

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I'm really late to this conversation, but I just wanted to say THANK YOU to everyone who contributed. I have this exact situation (working for foreign mission, exempt from income tax but not SE tax) and have been stressing about it for months. I ended up using the advice here about filing Form 1040 with an attached statement explaining the treaty exemption, along with Schedule SE. Filed it all last week and just got confirmation that it was accepted! One tip for anyone else in this situation: I called the Taxpayer Advocate Service and they were actually really helpful. They couldn't give specific tax advice but did confirm this was the correct approach and pointed me to the exact IRS publications that cover this scenario.

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Do you mind sharing which publications they recommended? I'm in a similar situation but working for an international organization rather than a foreign mission, and I'm trying to understand if the rules are the same.

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Layla Sanders

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They pointed me to Publication 519 (U.S. Tax Guide for Aliens) which has a section on employees of foreign governments and international organizations. Also Publication 54 (Tax Guide for U.S. Citizens and Resident Aliens Abroad) had some relevant information. For international organizations, the rules are very similar but depend on whether your organization has specific tax privileges under International Organizations Immunities Act. The key thing is that while you might be exempt from income tax, you typically still owe self-employment tax unless covered by a totalization agreement with your home country.

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Jace Caspullo

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Does anyone know if TurboTax lets you track both your federal and state refunds in one place? I filed through them last year but had to use separate websites to check my refund statuses. Just wanting to know before I submit this year.

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Melody Miles

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TurboTax does show the status of your federal refund in your account dashboard. For state refunds, it depends on which state you're in. Some states are integrated in the TurboTax tracking system, but for others, you'll still need to go to your state's tax department website to check. I'm in Texas so no state income tax to worry about, but when I lived in Illinois I had to check separately.

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Jace Caspullo

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Thanks for the info! I'm in Michigan so I'll probably need to check separately. Was hoping they'd improved the tracking system since last year. I'll still use TurboTax since I'm familiar with it, but wish they'd make this part easier.

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Is the free version of TurboTax actually free or do they make you upgrade halfway through? I've been using FreeTaxUSA but considering switching this year.

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Eva St. Cyr

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In my experience, TurboTax "Free Edition" usually tries to upsell you if you have anything beyond the most basic return. If you have any deductions, credits, self-employment income, etc., they'll tell you that you need to upgrade to Deluxe or higher. I switched to FreeTaxUSA a couple years ago and haven't looked back - much more straightforward pricing.

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TommyKapitz

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Have you considered a Solo 401k instead of a SEP IRA? I switched from SEP to Solo 401k last year because you can potentially contribute even more. With a Solo 401k, you can contribute both as the employer (like with SEP) AND as an employee up to the regular 401k limits. The main disadvantage is a bit more paperwork, especially once your balance exceeds $250k, when you'll need to file Form 5500-EZ. But if maximizing your tax-advantaged retirement savings is your goal, it might be worth exploring.

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Thanks, that's interesting! Do the same general tax advantages apply? Like with the SEP, would I still see a similar reduction in my current tax burden if I contributed the same amount to a Solo 401k?

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TommyKapitz

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Yes, you'd get the same tax deduction for equivalent contributions. The tax treatment is identical - both reduce your current tax burden and grow tax-deferred until withdrawal. The main advantage of Solo 401k is that you can potentially contribute more in total. For example, in 2023 you could contribute up to $22,500 as an "employee" contribution plus the same employer contribution you'd make with a SEP (up to 25% of compensation with a combined limit of $66,000). If you're over 50, you also get an additional $7,500 catch-up contribution option with the Solo 401k. Many people don't realize that a Solo 401k can be fairly simple to set up with major brokerages like Fidelity, Vanguard, or Charles Schwab.

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet - make sure you're still keeping enough liquid cash on hand for emergencies before maxing out retirement accounts. I learned this the hard way when I put too much into my SEP one year, then had a major business expense come up and had to take an early distribution. The penalties and taxes were painful! The standard advice is to have 3-6 months of expenses saved in an emergency fund before maximizing retirement contributions. For self-employed folks, I'd even suggest 6-12 months since income can be more volatile.

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Payton Black

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This is so true. I maxed out my SEP last year and felt great about the tax savings, then my biggest client terminated their contract unexpectedly. I would have been in serious trouble if I hadn't kept a decent emergency fund. How much did you end up paying in penalties when you had to take that early distribution?

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