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One thing nobody has mentioned is that the new W-4 form (redesigned in 2020) doesn't use allowances anymore. If you're still thinking in terms of "claiming 0" that suggests you might be using outdated terminology or your employer might be using an older system. The current W-4 uses a different approach with various steps for income adjustments, deductions, and credits. When was the last time you actually filled out a W-4? Your withholding settings might be based on old forms that were converted to the new system, which could explain some discrepancies.
We both updated our W-4s in January 2024, but you're right - the form doesn't have allowances anymore. I guess I was using the old terminology! When we filled them out, we both selected "single" filing status (even though we're married) and didn't check the box for multiple jobs or put any additional amounts. Basically, we tried to have the maximum withheld. Should we be filling them out differently?
Ah, that explains a lot! By both selecting "single" filing status when you're actually married, you're creating an artificial situation that doesn't match your actual tax filing status. This is a common approach people use to increase withholding, but it can have inconsistent results. A better approach would be to select your actual filing status of "Married" and then use Step 4(c) to specify an additional withholding amount if you want more taken out. The IRS has a Tax Withholding Estimator tool on their website that can help you determine the exact amount to withhold for your desired refund size.
Your company's payroll system might be using different pay frequencies for different departments, which affects withholding calculations. I had this exact issue! My husband was paid bi-weekly (26 paychecks per year) while I was technically semi-monthly (24 paychecks per year) even though we worked at the same company. This small difference caused our withholding calculations to be different despite identical W-4 settings. Check your pay stubs and see if there's any difference in how often you're paid or how your pay periods are defined. This tiny detail caused a $900 difference in our refunds one year!
This is actually a really good point! My spouse and I had this exact situation - same company, same W-4 settings, but I was salary (semi-monthly) and she was hourly (bi-weekly). The tax withholding formulas are different for these pay schedules!
The most cost-effective approach would be for your neighbor to prepare and file the returns himself. If they're truly simple 1099s with minimal deductions, tax software can handle this for around $50-75 per year. The IRS has a "First Time Penalty Abatement" policy that might waive penalties for the oldest year if he's had no previous issues. He should definitely ask about this once everything is filed. Also important: the IRS generally only requires the last 6 years to be filed, so he might be right at the cutoff point. If he owes money, he should prioritize the most recent 3 years first, as those are most important for compliance.
I tried doing my own back taxes and it was a nightmare because older tax software versions are hard to find and the rules change every year. How would someone even get the right forms for tax years from 5-6 years ago?
You're right that finding older tax software can be challenging. The IRS website actually maintains PDFs of prior year forms that can be downloaded and filled out manually. For someone comfortable with basic math and following instructions, this is completely doable. Alternatively, professional tax software used by CPAs and EAs can prepare returns for prior years much more easily. That's why having a professional handle this might be worth the money (just not $9,500 worth). There are also some online services specifically designed for back taxes that cost much less than hiring a full-service tax resolution firm.
I actually worked for one of these "tax resolution" companies for 3 months before quitting in disgust. The $9,500 quote is their standard starting point for 6+ years of returns, regardless of complexity. They're trained to scare people about IRS enforcement and push financing options that end up costing even more with interest. Your neighbor should look for an Enrolled Agent (EA) who specializes in back taxes. They typically charge $200-350 per back year for simple returns, and they're specifically licensed by the IRS to handle tax matters. The good news is the IRS is generally reasonable about payment plans. Once the returns are filed, your neighbor can likely set up a monthly payment plan with the IRS directly - often with much lower payments than what these resolution companies try to finance.
Thanks so much for this insider information! I suspected as much but having confirmation from someone who worked there is really helpful. I'll definitely look for an Enrolled Agent in our area to help him out. One last question - would there be any benefit to him going through the IRS Voluntary Disclosure program I've heard about, or is that only for more serious cases?
The IRS Voluntary Disclosure Program is primarily designed for taxpayers with potential criminal exposure - like those who have intentionally committed tax fraud or have undisclosed foreign accounts. From what you've described, your neighbor simply fell behind on filing, which is very common and generally treated as a civil (not criminal) matter. What he should look into is the IRS "Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures" which are specifically designed for taxpayers who have non-fraudulent reasons for falling behind on their filing obligations. An Enrolled Agent can guide him through this process, which often results in reduced penalties. Good luck to your neighbor - he's fortunate to have someone looking out for his best interests!
Has anyone just attached a manually filled Form 1116 to their Cash App return? I'm in a similar situation but with about $950 in foreign taxes. I was thinking of just filling out Form 1116 by hand and attaching it when I mail in the signature page.
I did this last year! Cash App gives you a "tax summary" PDF that you print and mail to the IRS. I just added my handwritten Form 1116 to that package. In the software, I entered the credit amount in the foreign tax credit line, then included the physical form when mailing. Found a good YouTube tutorial for filling out the form manually - it's not as scary as it seems. The IRS processed my return with no issues and I got my full refund.
Thanks for sharing your experience! That's really helpful to know. Did you still have to sign and mail in the Cash App return, or were you able to e-file and just mail the Form 1116 separately? I'm trying to figure out the simplest approach. I'll look for that YouTube tutorial too. Form 1116 looks intimidating, but if others have managed it by hand, I can probably figure it out too.
Another approach - i filed with cashapp last yr and went through this exact thing. what i did was just not claim the foreign tax credit at all. my reasoning was that the standard deduction ($12950 for single filers) was way more than my itemized deductions would've been even with the foreign taxes included, so i just took the standard and called it a day. yeah, i missed out on like $700, but it was worth it to not have to deal with the form 1116 hassle or switching software. sometimes the mental health savings is worth more than the tax savings lol.
That's not quite how it works though. The foreign tax credit isn't an itemized deduction - it's a credit that reduces your tax directly, dollar for dollar. So if you paid $700 in foreign taxes, you could potentially reduce your US tax by $700. That's usually much more valuable than including it as an itemized deduction. I'd reconsider this approach for future returns! You're likely leaving significant money on the table.
Does anyone know if this applies to domestic partners in California? We're registered domestic partners but not married federally. Can we still do the 60/40 split based on income or do we have to file differently?
California registered domestic partners have to file state taxes as married, but federal taxes as unmarried. For federal purposes, you'd split the mortgage interest and property tax deductions based on what each of you actually paid (like the 60/40 split mentioned). For California state taxes, you'd need to follow the rules for married filing jointly or married filing separately.
Just a warning based on personal experience - make sure both of you aren't claiming 100% of the interest and taxes! My ex and I both claimed the full amount on our separate returns because we each got a 1098 showing the full amount, and it triggered an audit. Major headache that took months to resolve. We ended up having to amend both returns and split based on our actual payments (which was 50/50 in our case). The IRS was fine with the split once we documented it, but they definitely notice when the same address has double-claimed deductions.
Jean Claude
The whole situation is even more frustrating because the IRS actually tried to create its own free filing system back in the early 2000s. But the tax prep industry lobbied Congress to block it. Instead, they created this "Free File Alliance" where they promised to offer free filing options to lower-income Americans. But then they deliberately hid these free options! Intuit even added code to its TurboTax website that prevented Google from indexing its free filing page. They've spent years tricking people into paying for services that should be free.
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Charity Cohan
ā¢Is there any chance this will change? Has anyone in Congress tried to fix this recently?
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Jean Claude
ā¢There have been several attempts to create a better system. Senator Elizabeth Warren has introduced legislation called the "Tax Filing Simplification Act" multiple times that would create a free, simple filing system and ban the IRS from entering into agreements that restrict its ability to provide free online filing. Also, after ProPublica exposed how the tax prep companies were hiding their free filing options, the IRS did renegotiate its agreement with the Free File Alliance to prohibit some of these deceptive practices. But honestly, as long as these companies keep spending millions on lobbying, meaningful change is an uphill battle.
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Josef Tearle
I've been using FreeTaxUSA for the past 3 years and it's WAY better than TurboTax or H&R Block. Federal filing is completely free and state is only $15. No hidden upgrades or confusing tiers of service. Just straightforward filing.
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Shelby Bauman
ā¢Do they support more complicated returns? I have some rental property income and usually that forces me into the premium versions of other software.
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