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I'm a real estate investor who's done several deals through my self-directed IRA, and yes, UBTI is a legitimate concern. Here's what's happening in your case: When an IRA invests in an LLC that uses leverage (debt/mortgages) to purchase property, the portion of income attributable to that debt financing becomes subject to UBTI tax. This is called "acquisition indebtedness" in tax terms. The EIN is required because technically your IRA becomes a separate taxable entity for UBTI purposes. Your IRA custodian should have explained this upfront. The real question is whether this setup makes sense for you. With smaller investments, the UBTI tax and administrative costs can outweigh the benefits. For larger investments, the leverage benefits might outweigh the tax costs. Ask your CPA to calculate the effective return both ways - with direct cash investment vs. IRA with UBTI tax impact.

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Ethan Davis

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Would it be better to just use a Roth IRA for this kind of real estate investing? Does UBTI still apply with Roth accounts? Trying to figure out the best structure before I get started.

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UBTI rules apply equally to both Traditional and Roth IRAs - there's no advantage to either type when it comes to UBTI taxation. The difference is that with a Traditional IRA, you'll eventually pay taxes on distributions anyway, while with a Roth, you'd normally never pay taxes on qualified distributions. This makes UBTI potentially more disadvantageous in a Roth because you're paying taxes on money that would otherwise grow completely tax-free. However, if the leveraged real estate investment significantly outperforms other potential investments even after UBTI tax, it might still be worthwhile in either account type.

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Yuki Tanaka

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Has anyone here used a "checkbook IRA LLC" structure for real estate? I'm wondering if that approach changes anything with the UBTI requirements the original poster is asking about. My financial advisor mentioned it as an option but couldn't explain the tax implications clearly.

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Carmen Ortiz

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I used the checkbook IRA LLC structure for several years. The UBTI rules still apply exactly the same way - if there's debt-financing involved in the real estate, you'll trigger UBTI regardless of whether it's a direct IRA investment or through a checkbook LLC. The checkbook structure gives you more control over the investments but doesn't change the tax treatment. You'll still need an EIN for UBTI reporting purposes if applicable.

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Naila Gordon

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Your cousin should also look into whether he qualifies for IRS Form 911 (Taxpayer Advocate Service) help. If he can demonstrate that the payment requirements are causing significant financial hardship (like inability to pay for necessities), the Taxpayer Advocate can sometimes intervene. They're an independent organization within the IRS designed to help taxpayers resolve issues.

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I had no idea this existed! How does my cousin apply for this Form 911 help? Does he need to provide specific documentation about his financial situation?

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Naila Gordon

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He'll need to fill out Form 911 (Request for Taxpayer Advocate Service Assistance) which asks for details about the hardship. He should be very specific about exactly how the tax situation is causing financial hardship - like documentation showing he can't pay rent, utilities, or medical expenses because of the tax payments. Supporting documentation is super important - recent bank statements, bills, income proof, anything showing the gap between income and necessary expenses. The more concrete evidence of hardship, the better his chances. He can submit the form online, by mail, or fax. Sometimes it's actually faster to reach out to his local Taxpayer Advocate office directly by phone - the form includes contact info for local offices.

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Cynthia Love

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One thing nobody mentioned - since he was a 1099 contractor, he might have missed a bunch of legitimate business deductions that could lower his original tax bill before even looking at payment plans or settlements. Common missed deductions for contractors include: - Home office (if he works from home) - Business mileage - Phone/internet (business portion) - Health insurance premiums - Retirement contributions - Business equipment

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This is so important! I was a 1099 worker and realized I missed like $8k in legit deductions when I finally got help from a tax pro. Lowered my tax bill significantly. Does the cousin already have an accountant or did he DIY his taxes?

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet - if you made any payments toward that 2010 tax debt AFTER your bankruptcy, that could have reset the statute of limitations clock completely. I learned this the hard way with a 2008 tax debt that I thought was long gone, but one $50 payment I made in 2016 restarted the whole 10-year period. Also, if the IRS filed a Notice of Federal Tax Lien before your bankruptcy, that lien might still be attached to any property you owned before the bankruptcy, even if the debt itself can't be collected anymore. Worth checking your county records to see if there's an old lien that needs to be addressed.

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I don't think I made any payments after the bankruptcy, but now I'm paranoid. Would partial payments reset the clock or only full payments? And how would I check for liens? Just call the county recorder's office?

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Any payment, even a small partial payment, can reset the collection statute. It's one of the ways people accidentally revive old tax debts. The IRS sometimes even sends out collection notices on expired debts hoping you'll make a payment without realizing it restarts the clock. For liens, yes, you can check with your county recorder's office or clerk's office. Most counties now have online systems where you can search for liens by name. If you find a lien and your debt is truly beyond the collection statute, you can request a "lien withdrawal" from the IRS using Form 12277. Just be careful about contacting them if you're not 100% sure the debt is uncollectible.

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Don't forget about refund offsets! Even if they can't actively collect anymore, the IRS can still take any tax refunds you might be owed and apply them to old debts. This happens automatically through their system and isn't considered active collection, so it can happen even after the statute expires in some cases. I'd recommend adjusting your withholding so you don't have refunds coming if you're concerned about this. Better to owe a small amount each year (but pay it on time!) than to have refunds intercepted.

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Is this really true? I thought once the statute of limitations was up, they couldn't touch your money at all - including refunds. Can someone confirm if refund offset is really not subject to the 10-year rule?

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You're partially right - I should have been more clear. For most federal tax debts, the refund offset ability does end when the collection statute expires. However, there are exceptions for things like child support, student loans, state tax debts, and a few other categories that can continue to offset refunds. Also, if the IRS has already applied your refund to an old tax debt before the statute expires, they don't have to give it back even if the debt becomes uncollectible later. Always best to check your tax transcripts for the specific collection statute expiration date (CSED) for each tax year you owe.

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Zara Shah

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You might also want to consider whether renting out the equipment after your project is complete could benefit you. I did this with a similar situation - bought a backhoe to improve some investment land, then started renting it out to neighbors through a local equipment sharing app. This established a clear business use for the equipment, which strengthened my position for taking bonus depreciation. Plus, the rental income has been a nice bonus that's helping offset the original purchase cost.

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NebulaNomad

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How did you handle insurance and liability issues with renting out heavy equipment? I'd be terrified someone would hurt themselves and I'd get sued into oblivion.

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Zara Shah

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I purchased a specific commercial equipment insurance policy that covers rental use. It was about $1,800 annually but well worth the protection. I also created a simple LLC to own the equipment and had renters sign a detailed liability waiver that my attorney drafted. Most equipment sharing platforms also offer some basic insurance coverage as part of their service, though I wouldn't rely solely on that for heavy machinery. The key is being properly insured and having clear documentation of the equipment's condition before and after each rental.

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Luca Ferrari

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I'm confused about one thing - if you buy equipment for investment property improvements, don't you have to capitalize those costs to the land rather than depreciate the equipment separately? My accountant told me land improvements get added to the basis of the land and can't be depreciated.

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Nia Wilson

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Your accountant is partially correct but missing some nuance. Land itself is never depreciable, and certain permanent improvements to land (like grading or clearing) must be capitalized to the land basis. However, the equipment used to make those improvements is separate from the improvements themselves. If the equipment is used in a business or income-producing activity, it can typically be depreciated regardless of what you're using it for. The key distinction is between the equipment (depreciable asset) and the permanent land improvements (capitalized to land basis).

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Just to add some clarification since i worked as a tax preparer during COVID: The Form 8915 series was specifically for retirement distributions: - Form 8915-E: For coronavirus-related distributions in 2020 - Form 8915-F: For qualified disaster distributions in later years The CARES Act allowed people affected by COVID to: 1. Withdraw up to $100,000 from retirement accounts without the 10% early withdrawal penalty 2. Spread the income (and tax) over 3 years 3. Repay the distributions within 3 years if they wanted This is completely separate from stimulus checks (Economic Impact Payments) which were handled through Recovery Rebate Credits on your regular 1040.

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Owen Jenkins

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Was there a deadline to file the 8915-E form? My brother took money from his 401k during COVID but I don't think he ever filed that form. Is he in trouble with the IRS now?

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Yes, there was a deadline for taking the qualified distributions - December 30, 2020. The distributions had to be reported on Form 8915-E which would have been filed with the 2020 tax return (or potentially spread over returns for 2020, 2021, and 2022 if he chose to spread the income). If he took a distribution but didn't file Form 8915-E, he may have paid the 10% early withdrawal penalty unnecessarily. He could potentially file an amended return for 2020 to claim the special treatment if he qualified. The IRS generally allows amendments within 3 years of the original filing date, so he might still have time depending on when he filed his 2020 return.

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Lilah Brooks

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Does anyone know if TurboTax automatically creates Form 8915 if you answer "yes" to those questions? I'm wondering if I might have filed one without realizing it.

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Yes, TurboTax would have created and filed the appropriate Form 8915 if you indicated you took a qualified disaster distribution from a retirement account. You can check your actual filed return - there should be a PDF copy in TurboTax that shows all forms that were submitted.

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