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Just FYI - I'm a tax preparer, and one thing many people don't realize is that penalties can be reduced or eliminated through the IRS First Time Penalty Abatement program if you have a clean compliance history (meaning you've filed and paid on time for the past 3 years). Even if you owe money and face penalties, you might be able to get them removed. Worth asking about if you end up owing!
Would this apply in my situation? I've always filed on time before - this is literally the first year I've ever missed. Are there special forms I need to fill out to request the abatement?
Yes, this would absolutely apply to your situation! The First Time Penalty Abatement is specifically designed for people who have been compliant in the past but had a one-time issue. You don't need special forms - you can request it by phone when you call the IRS, or include a penalty abatement request letter with your late return explaining your situation. You can also request it after receiving a penalty notice. Just be sure to mention "First Time Penalty Abatement" specifically when you make the request.
Did anyone else end up owing way more than expected when they filed late? I missed filing last year and when I finally did it, I owed like $2400 including penalties. Freaking out about this year now.
Make sure you're still withholding enough from your paychecks. I had the same issue because I had accidentally claimed too many allowances on my W-4, so not enough tax was being taken out during the year. Fixed that and now I'm good.
Something else to consider - if your rental property is in an opportunity zone, there might be additional tax benefits that interact with these passive activity loss rules. We bought a small rental in a designated opportunity zone last year and not only were we able to defer capital gains from another investment, but the way it affected our passive activity calculations was significant.
Can you explain more about how opportunity zone investments affected your passive activity calculations? I'm considering an opportunity zone property but mostly looking at the capital gains benefits, hadn't considered passive loss implications.
Here's another wrinkle - if any of your rental property is short-term (like Airbnb or VRBO where average stay is 7 days or less), it falls under different rules and might not qualify for the $25k special allowance at all regardless of your MAGI. Those properties are considered nonresidential and have different passive activity classifications. I learned this the hard way last year when I converted one of my long-term rentals to a vacation rental and discovered I couldn't use those losses against my other income even though I was below the MAGI threshold. Real estate tax rules are full of fun surprises!
Quick practical advice that helped me when I missed the extended deadline last year: 1. Pay as much as you can estimate RIGHT NOW through IRS Direct Pay (google it) 2. Get your documents organized ASAP even if you can't complete the return 3. File within 60 days of the missed deadline if at all possible - penalties increase substantially after that 4. If you have a clean payment history for the last 3 years, request "First Time Penalty Abatement" when you do file 5. Include a letter explaining your situation with your late return The 3-year clean compliance history was key for me - got nearly all penalties removed with a simple phone call after filing late by about 3 weeks.
Thank you for this practical advice! Quick question - for the payment estimate, would you recommend just using last year's total tax amount as a starting point? And for the first-time penalty abatement, is that something I request when I file or after I receive a penalty notice?
Last year's total tax is definitely a good starting point. If you know your income increased, add 25-30% to be safe. It's always better to slightly overpay and get a refund than underpay and face more penalties. For First Time Penalty Abatement, you can request it either way. Some tax pros recommend waiting for the penalty notice before requesting abatement, but I found it helpful to include a letter with my late return specifically requesting it based on my clean compliance history. I used IRS guidance from their website about FTA requirements and referenced it in my letter. You can also call after filing to request it, but having it documented in writing from the start worked well in my case.
Something important no one mentioned - if you're truly self-employed, don't forget about your quarterly estimated tax payments! Even while sorting out last year's taxes, make sure you're making estimated payments for 2024 if you haven't been. The Oct 15 deadline happens to fall very close to the Q3 estimated payment deadline (Sep 16 this year). Missing estimated payments creates a whole separate penalty issue (underpayment penalty) that exists regardless of extensions. Even if you get filing penalties abated, underpayment penalties for missing quarterlies typically won't be forgiven.
This! I learned this lesson the hard way. Got all my filing extension stuff sorted only to get hit with a separate underpayment penalty for not making proper quarterly estimated payments. It was like solving one problem just to discover another one.
One thing nobody mentioned yet - check if your employer is withholding the correct amount from your paychecks. This happened to me last year - my company somehow had me listed as "exempt" from withholding for half the year! You can adjust your W-4 to have more taken out each check to cover your freelance income too. For the side gig income, you should really be making quarterly estimated tax payments. The rule is if you expect to owe more than $1,000 at tax time, you're supposed to pay quarterly or you might get hit with underpayment penalties on top of what you owe.
Is there a way to check if my withholding is correct on my pay stubs? And what form do I need to file for those quarterly payments? This is all so confusing!
You can check your pay stub - it should show federal income tax withholding, Social Security, and Medicare. Compare several pay periods to see if the withholding is consistent. If it seems too low (less than 10% of your gross pay for federal taxes if you're single), you might need to adjust your W-4. For quarterly estimated taxes, you'll use Form 1040-ES. It's pretty straightforward - you estimate your total tax liability for the year, divide by 4, and make payments by the quarterly due dates (April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year). You can pay online through the IRS Direct Pay system. If your income is irregular, you can use the "annualized income" method that lets you pay as you earn rather than equal payments.
Don't forget to check if your state has income tax too! I had the same situation with federal taxes but then got hit with another $300 for state taxes I wasn't expecting. Does your tax software recommend any credits you might qualify for like the Earned Income Credit? Sometimes people with lower incomes can get that.
The Earned Income Credit usually requires you to have kids. I'm single with no kids and make about what OP makes, and I've never qualified. But definitely check for education credits if you took any classes!
Zara Mirza
Your 1868 tax return might actually be worth some money to collectors. My friend works at a historical auction house and documents from Brooklyn during that era can fetch good prices, especially work-related items like a traveling salesman's tax forms. The 5% tax rate documentation from that specific period has historical significance too. Before you donate it, you might want to get it appraised. Just make sure whoever handles it uses proper preservation techniques - those old documents can be fragile!
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NebulaNinja
ā¢Any recommendations on where to get historical documents appraised without risking damage? I have some old property tax records from 1880s Manhattan that I've been keeping in a box.
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Zara Mirza
ā¢For historical document appraisals, I'd recommend contacting a reputable auction house like Christie's or Sotheby's for high-value items, or a local auction house that specializes in historical documents if you want something less intimidating. They typically have experts who know how to handle fragile items. Another great option is to reach out to university libraries with special collections departments, particularly ones with focuses on economic or New York history. Places like NYU or Columbia have experts who can give you information about the historical significance while properly handling the documents. They often offer free consultations even if you're not planning to donate, and they use archival-quality gloves and proper lighting to prevent damage.
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Luca Russo
Wait this is so random but my dissertation was actually on tax history in NY from 1850-1900! The 5% federal tax rate in 1868 was part of the "Revenue Act" which was originally a Civil War funding measure. Fun fact: the income tax was actually repealed in 1872, then ruled unconstitutional in 1895, and didn't come back permanently until the 16th Amendment in 1913! For a traveling salesman in Brooklyn, there would have also been some local taxes beyond just the federal 5%. And the comparison to today is mind-blowing - not just the rates but the complexity. The entire tax code back then was just a few pages compared to today's thousands of pages of regulations!
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Nia Wilson
ā¢That's fascinating! Did traveling salesmen get any special tax treatment back then? Like deductions for being on the road?
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