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Just to add another perspective - check if your employer is using ADP, Workday, or another payroll system that might have their own specific instructions. My company uses Workday and even though the W-4 changed years ago, their system still asks for allowances in the initial questionnaire but then converts it to the new system behind the scenes. I ended up asking our HR department directly and they sent me a conversion chart that showed how many allowances would translate to different withholding amounts. Might be worth asking your HR or payroll team if they have something similar!
This is really good advice. Different payroll systems handle the transition differently. I work in HR (not a tax expert though) and we've had tons of questions about this exact issue. Some systems use a "behind the scenes" conversion while others actually require you to fill out both the old and new formats.
Exactly! It's even more complicated because some of these systems were updated in phases. For my company, employees hired before 2023 still see the allowances language while newer employees get a different interface entirely. The most important thing is to make sure your actual withholding amounts align with your tax situation, regardless of how the form presents it. When in doubt, the payroll or HR department can usually provide a withholding calculator or estimate specific to their system.
Has anyone else noticed that the withholding never seems right no matter what you put on these forms? I swear I've tried everything - claiming 0, 1, 2 on the old system, filling out the new W-4 exactly as instructed - and I always either owe a bunch or get too big a refund at tax time. It's so frustrating!
For what it's worth, I'm a contractor making about $230k and the S-corp has been totally worth it for me. Some practical advice: 1) Make sure to set aside money for quarterly estimated tax payments since you won't have withholding on the distribution portion 2) Get a good payroll service that handles the filings ($40-60/month usually) 3) Keep separate business accounts and don't mix personal/business expenses 4) Factor in about $1500-2000 extra for annual tax preparation (versus what you paid as a sole prop) Even with those costs, I'm saving around $12k annually in SE taxes. Just be prepared for more paperwork and higher accounting fees.
Thanks for the practical breakdown! Do you have any payroll services you'd recommend specifically? And how did you decide what salary to set for yourself?
I use Gusto for payroll and have been happy with it. Very user-friendly and they handle all the filings automatically. OnPay and Square Payroll are also good options that several of my contractor friends use. All run about $45-60/month depending on features. For salary, I researched construction project managers in my area on sites like Glassdoor and Indeed. The range was $90k-140k, so I settled on $120k as my reasonable salary. I also documented this research and keep it with my tax records in case of questions. My accountant suggested keeping the salary above 40% of business profit as a general rule to avoid red flags, but that varies by industry.
Don't forget about state filing requirements too! If you're in California like me, the minimum franchise tax is $800 annually just for the privilege of being an S-corp. That ate into my savings significantly. Make sure to research your state's requirements before deciding.
Yikes! I didn't know about state franchise taxes. Does anyone know what the requirements are in Texas?
To answer your original question more directly - I'm a fan of TurboTax for most situations, but when you have multiple major life changes in one year (marriage, house, dependents), it might be worth paying for a professional review. What I typically do is complete everything in TurboTax first, then take it to a CPA for review. This costs way less than having them prepare it from scratch, but gives you the peace of mind that everything is correct. My CPA charges about $150 for a review versus $400+ to prepare everything. Also, double check that you entered everything correctly. The most common mistakes I've seen friends make: - Entering the same income twice - Claiming credits they don't qualify for by misunderstanding a question - Incorrectly entering mortgage interest or property tax information
Thanks for this practical advice. I hadn't thought about doing it in TurboTax first and then just getting a review. That seems like a good middle ground between doing it all myself and paying the full price for preparation. Did your CPA find many errors when they reviewed your self-prepared return?
The first year, yes - my CPA found several issues. I had misunderstood how to enter some 1099-MISC income and had incorrectly calculated my home office deduction. The corrections actually increased my refund by about $800. In subsequent years, I've gotten better at using the software correctly, and now the review is mostly just peace of mind. The CPA usually just verifies everything looks right and occasionally suggests an additional deduction I might have missed. Most errors happen when your tax situation changes significantly - like in your case with marriage, home purchase, and dependents all at once.
I used to work at a tax preparation company, and honestly, TurboTax is very reliable for most situations. That said, $17,500 does sound high, but not impossible with all your life changes. One thing nobody has mentioned yet - check how much you and your spouse had withheld from your paychecks throughout the year. If you both were withholding at higher single rates while actually being married (which often has better tax advantages), that alone could explain a big chunk of the refund. Also double check you didn't accidentally enter something twice. The most common mistake I saw was people entering the same W-2 twice or entering both the W-2 and a duplicate 1099 for the same job.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - have you considered a loan to the business instead of buying equity? Might be a cleaner tax situation. You'd get interest income (taxable, but no self-employment tax) and maintain more separation. Less upside if the business booms, but also less complication and risk.
That's an interesting alternative I hadn't considered. Would the interest I earn be considered passive income? And would the business still be able to deduct the interest payments? Seems like it could be win-win if structured properly.
Yes, the interest you earn would typically be considered portfolio income (not passive income in the tax sense, but not subject to self-employment tax either). It's reported on Schedule B and taxed at your ordinary income rate. The business could generally deduct the interest payments as a business expense, subject to certain limitations if the business is very large (which doesn't sound like the case here). This creates a tax-efficient arrangement where the business reduces its taxable income and you receive income without the complications of partnership taxation. You could even structure it with an equity conversion option if the business performs well and you later decide you want ownership.
I bought 50% of a friend's marketing agency in 2022 and my biggest advice is GET EVERYTHING IN WRITING!! We didn't properly document profit distributions vs guaranteed payments and it was a tax NIGHTMARE. Make sure your operating agreement clearly specifies: 1) How profits are distributed 2) If you get guaranteed payments regardless of profit 3) Who can make tax elections 4) How tax distributions are handled (to cover your tax liability) Also check if your state has specific filing requirements for multi-member LLCs. Some states require more paperwork than others!
What tax software did you use to handle your K-1? I'm looking at a similar situation and wondering if TurboTax can handle it or if I need something more specialized.
I started with TurboTax but switched to a CPA halfway through. TurboTax can technically handle K-1s, but it doesn't provide much guidance for complex situations. If your K-1 is straightforward it might be fine, but mine had unusual allocations, guaranteed payments, and some weird depreciation issues from business property. The best advice I can give is to either use a more specialized tax software like UltraTax if you're comfortable with tax concepts, or just pay for a CPA who specializes in partnership taxation. It's worth the money to avoid the headache and potential errors. My CPA actually found several deductions TurboTax missed that more than paid for her fee.
StarStrider
Tax professional here. Your friend should be careful with this approach. The IRS specifically addresses this in Publication 535 (Business Expenses). While certain startup costs for a new business can be deductible, personal moving expenses are considered exactly that - personal. Even if the move is motivated by business reasons, the costs of physically relocating your household belongings, family, etc. are personal living expenses which are not deductible. What COULD be deductible: expenses directly related to moving business property and equipment, market research costs in the new location, costs of securing a business location, etc. What IS NOT deductible: costs of moving household goods, travel expenses for family members, house-hunting trips, temporary living expenses, closing costs on home purchase.
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Andre Rousseau
ā¢This is exactly what I needed - thank you! So if he's primarily moving his household and family, those expenses aren't deductible even if the reason for the move is business-related. But if he's also moving actual business property, that portion could potentially be deductible?
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StarStrider
ā¢That's correct. The expenses for moving actual business property (like specialized equipment, inventory, business furniture, etc.) to the new location could potentially qualify as legitimate business expenses. Those would be reported on the business tax return. The personal household moving expenses remain non-deductible regardless of the business motivation behind the move. This is a common area where business owners often blur the lines, but the IRS is quite clear on maintaining the distinction between personal and business expenses. Your friend should keep meticulous records and separate receipts for anything that might qualify as a legitimate business expense versus personal moving costs.
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Dylan Campbell
When I started my insurance agency, I tried deducting moving expenses as business startup costs and got audited. The IRS disallowed all household moving expenses but did allow: - Cost of moving actual business equipment - Business setup costs in new location - Business licenses in new state - Professional fees related to establishing the business Learn from my expensive mistake - keep personal and business expenses completely separate!
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Sofia Torres
ā¢Sorry you had to learn this the hard way. How did the audit go overall? Was it just a matter of paying the additional tax or were there penalties too?
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