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Just to add a practical tip: Even if you're nowhere near the lifetime exemption limit, you still need to file Form 709 if you give anyone more than the annual exclusion amount ($17,000 in 2023). This creates a record of using your lifetime exemption. I learned this the hard way after making a down payment gift for my same-age cousin's house. I didn't file the form thinking I'd never approach the lifetime limit, but my accountant explained that failing to file the form is technically a violation even if no tax would ever be due.

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Do you know what happens if you don't file the 709 form? Are there penalties? I gave my sister about $30k last year for medical bills and had no idea I needed to file anything since I'm nowhere near that lifetime limit.

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There can definitely be penalties for not filing Form 709 when required, even if no tax is due. The standard penalty is 5% of the tax owed per month, up to 25%. But since you likely don't owe any actual tax (just needed to file the form), the penalty might be minimal or potentially zero if you can show reasonable cause. For your specific situation with your sister, you might actually qualify for a medical expense exception. Payments made directly to medical providers on someone else's behalf are exempt from gift tax and don't require filing. But if you gave the money directly to your sister who then paid the bills, that's technically a reportable gift. I'd recommend speaking with a tax professional about filing a late 709 to get compliant.

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One important distinction: there are actually different types of "skips" in the gift tax world that might be causing confusion: 1. Generation-skipping transfers (gifts to grandchildren or others 37.5+ years younger) 2. Regular gifts (to anyone) that use your lifetime exemption 3. Annual exclusion gifts ($17k per person per year) The lifetime exemption applies to ALL taxable gifts regardless of recipient age, but there's an additional layer of rules (and potentially tax) if the gift is also generation-skipping.

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Elijah Brown

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Thank you for this clear breakdown! I was definitely mixing up the different concepts. So if I understand correctly, I can give gifts to anyone (younger, older, same age) and use my lifetime exemption, but there are extra rules if the person is much younger than me (like grandchildren)?

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Exactly right! Your lifetime gift tax exemption ($12.92 million in 2023) applies to all taxable gifts regardless of the recipient's age. You can give to your spouse, sibling, friend, or anyone else and it works the same way for basic gift tax purposes. The generation-skipping transfer (GST) tax is an additional layer that only applies to gifts to people who are at least 37.5 years younger than you (or in a defined generational category like grandchildren). These transfers are potentially subject to both regular gift tax and GST tax, but there's a separate GST exemption amount (currently also $12.92 million) to offset this additional tax. This was designed to prevent wealthy families from skipping tax by bypassing a generation.

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Emma Davis

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Just wanted to share what I learned from my CPA about capital losses and married filing status. The $1,500 limit you mentioned ONLY applies if you file married filing separately. If you file jointly, the limit is $3,000 per year that can offset ordinary income. But here's the important part - there's NO LIMIT on how much carried-over capital loss can offset capital gains! So in your example, you'd be able to use your entire $10,000 loss (minus whatever you already deducted against ordinary income the previous year) to offset your $10,000 gain. You wouldn't pay any taxes on it.

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My situation is slightly different. I have $45k in carry forward losses from previous years. If I make $100k in capital gains this year, I can use all $45k to offset, right? And is there any difference between long term vs short term losses when offsetting gains?

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Emma Davis

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You can absolutely use all $45k of your carry forward losses to offset your $100k in gains. There's no limit when offsetting gains (the $3,000 limit only applies to offsetting ordinary income). Regarding long term vs short term, there are specific ordering rules. First, short-term losses offset short-term gains. Then, long-term losses offset long-term gains. If you have excess in one category, it can offset the other category. So if you have more short-term losses than short-term gains, the excess can offset long-term gains, and vice versa. The IRS wants you to match like-with-like first, then cross over if needed.

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I just wanna say it's crazy we even have to worry about this stuff. Like if I lose $10k one year and make $10k the next, I've made ZERO dollars over two years, but the tax system is set up to potentially tax me anyway. Seems designed to confuse regular people. Even if you can carry forward losses, you still have to know that's a thing and file the right forms.

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PREACH! The entire tax code is unnecessarily complicated. Why should we need special tools or have to call the IRS just to understand basic rules? And heaven forbid you make a mistake. I made an error on my capital loss carryover two years ago and got hit with a $430 penalty even though I ended up OVERPAYING my taxes.

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Thanks for agreeing! And wow that penalty situation is ridiculous. It's like they're trying to trip us up. I've been using the same accountant for years just because I'm terrified of making a mistake, even though it costs me $400 every time. The frustrating part is that the IRS already has most of our financial info from our employers and investment companies. They could just calculate it for us, send us a bill, and be done with it. But instead we all stress for months about doing it right.

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Emma Davis

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In my experience as a long-time 1099 contractor, the hotel deduction in this case is risky. Since you're primarily going to visit family, the IRS would likely consider this a personal trip. The fact that your parent company is there doesn't help unless you're actually conducting business with them in person. A better approach might be to look at coworking spaces in the area instead of the hotel. You could deduct the daily fee for the coworking space as a clear business expense since it's only being used for work, while staying with family. This creates a cleaner separation between personal and business expenses.

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I hadn't thought about coworking spaces! That's a really smart alternative. Do you know if there are any specific documentation requirements for using coworking spaces as a business expense? And would that still work if I keep the hotel for personal comfort but also use a coworking space?

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Emma Davis

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For coworking spaces, keep the receipts/invoices from the space and note the business activities performed there each day. Take photos of your workspace and save any digital check-ins. If you're producing deliverables while there, note that in your records. You could absolutely still keep the hotel for personal reasons while using a coworking space for business. This actually creates a much cleaner deduction situation because the coworking space has no personal use component - it's 100% business. The hotel would then be clearly personal and non-deductible, but your dedicated workspace would be fully deductible. This arrangement also makes it much harder for the IRS to question the business purpose since there's no mixing of personal and business use in the same space.

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LunarLegend

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As someone who's been a 1099 contractor for 5+ years, I would strongly recommend against trying to deduct the hotel in this case. I tried something similar in 2021 and it triggered an audit. The IRS agent specifically cited the primary purpose test and disallowed my deduction since the primary purpose of my travel was personal. One thing no one has mentioned - have you considered checking if your company might have a corporate rate at any hotels in the area? My client company had a business rate at several hotels that was cheaper than regular rates, even though they didn't pay for my stay.

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Going through an audit sounds terrifying. Did you end up owing a lot more in taxes after they disallowed your deductions?

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Understanding Roth 401k 1099-R Distribution Codes 8B and BP - Do I need to amend my return?

I received a distribution from my Roth 401k in November 2021 that was labeled as an "excess deferral correction" for 2020. What's confusing me is that I didn't exceed the published contribution limits for 2020 (I'm not even close to maxing out), but apparently their plan audit determined I went over some limit I wasn't aware of. I'm in my 40s and definitely not a highly compensated employee. Now I have two different 1099-R forms for 2021 with different distribution codes: First form has distribution code BP: - About $520 gross distribution (Box 1) - $0 taxable amount (Box 2a) - Box 5 (employee contributions) shows same amount as Box 1 - $0 for state distribution (Box 16) - $0 for local distribution (Box 19) Second form has distribution code 8B: - About $630 gross distribution (Box 1) - Taxable amount equals gross distribution (Box 2a) - Box 5 shows $0 - State distribution matches gross amount - $0 for local distribution The paperwork that came with the check mentioned that for Roth deferrals, the corrective distributions and allocable income are only taxable in the distribution year. From everything I've read online, I believe I don't need to amend my 2020 return since this was Roth 401k money, and I already paid tax on the BP-coded amount in 2020. But now TurboTax is ignoring the "$0 taxable amount" on the BP-coded 1099-R and adding it to my taxable income for 2021. It's also suggesting I might need to amend my 2020 return. Am I right that my 2020 tax return doesn't need amending? And can I somehow exclude the BP-coded 1099-R from my 2021 filing since the taxable amount is clearly marked as $0?

I had a similar situation with my husband's 401k last year. For the BP code, I needed to manually tell TurboTax that the taxable amount was $0. Here's what I did: In TurboTax, after entering the 1099-R information, there should be an option to "Review" the entry. Within that review screen, there's a way to override the taxable amount. I had to dig around a bit, but it was something like "Edit" or "Override" next to the taxable amount field. For your second 1099-R with the 8B code, the earnings should indeed be taxable in 2021, so TurboTax is handling that correctly at least.

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Thank you for the specific TurboTax guidance! I found the override option exactly where you described. After adjusting it, my tax calculation looks much more reasonable now. One more question - did you have to file any additional forms to explain the override, or did TurboTax handle that automatically?

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TurboTax handled the override automatically without requiring additional forms. The software does add a note to your return that explains the override, which is actually helpful in case of an audit. Just make sure to keep copies of both 1099-Rs and any documentation that came with the distribution explaining the excess contribution correction. That paperwork is your proof if the IRS ever questions the override.

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CosmicCowboy

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The people saying you don't need to amend your 2020 return are correct. For Roth 401k excess contributions, the correction is handled in the distribution year (2021). For anyone else dealing with this: distribution codes are crucial for understanding tax treatment: - BP = Roth contribution being returned (not taxable) - 8B = Earnings on those excess contributions (taxable) If your tax software doesn't handle this correctly, switch software! I've found FreeTaxUSA handles these retirement distribution codes much better than TurboTax for complex situations.

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Does FreeTaxUSA handle state returns well too? I've been considering switching from TurboTax due to their constant price increases.

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CosmicCowboy

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Yes, FreeTaxUSA handles state returns quite well! They charge a small fee for state filing (much less than TurboTax), but federal filing is completely free regardless of complexity. I switched three years ago and haven't looked back. For retirement distribution issues like this, their interface explicitly asks about each distribution code and automatically applies the correct tax treatment. For something like a BP code, it immediately marks it as non-taxable without requiring manual overrides.

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One thing nobody's mentioned - make sure your 18yo knows they have to select "can be claimed as dependent" on their tax return! My son checked the wrong box last year thinking he was independent because he had a job, and it caused both our returns to get flagged since I also claimed him. Took months to sort out and we had to file an amended return.

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Avery Flores

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Thank you SO much for pointing this out! I hadn't even thought about my son potentially checking the wrong box. Did that delay your refund significantly? And is there anything else I should warn him about on his return?

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Yes, it delayed our refunds by about 3 months and we had to submit additional documentation proving I provided more than half his support. Super frustrating! Also make sure he understands he won't get certain credits like the recovery rebate credit or earned income credit that are only for independent filers. My son was confused because TurboTax initially calculated a bigger refund before he marked himself as a dependent. The software correctly adjusted it, but he thought he was doing something wrong because the refund amount dropped.

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Ryan Young

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Has anyone used TurboTax for this situation? My daughter and I are in the same boat and I'm wondering if there's a specific tax software that handles dependent students better than others.

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Sophia Clark

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I used FreeTaxUSA for both my return and my son's last year. It asks really clear questions about dependent status and was completely free for his simple return. For mine it was only $15 for state filing. TurboTax wanted to charge us for deluxe versions for both returns which was unnecessary.

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