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Quick tip from someone who does this regularly - if your income is genuinely below all thresholds, you might not even need to file a self assessment next year. You can call HMRC and ask to be taken out of self assessment if you no longer meet the criteria. Common reasons people stay in self assessment unnecessarily: - They had a one-off income spike - They started self-employment but then stopped - They previously had multiple income sources but now just have PAYE Just something to consider if your situation has changed permanently.

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Yara Haddad

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That's really helpful, thank you! My situation was exactly that - I had a side business that generated decent income in 2020-2021, but I closed it down last year. Would I just call HMRC after filing my 2021-2022 return to ask to be removed from self assessment?

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Yes, that's right! Complete your 2021-2022 return first (which will show your income is below thresholds), then call HMRC and explain that you've closed your business and no longer need to be in the self assessment system. They'll ask a few questions to confirm you don't meet any of the criteria, and if they agree, they'll remove you from the system. Make sure you keep the confirmation they send you about this. Most people find it's a huge relief not having to worry about the annual self assessment deadline anymore!

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Malik Davis

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Just to add to what others have said - be careful with the timing. If you reduce your payment on account and later your actual income turns out to be higher than you estimated, HMRC will charge interest on the underpayment. Not trying to scare you - if your income is genuinely below thresholds then you're fine! But I made a mistake once where I forgot about some dividend income that pushed me over the threshold, and ended up paying interest.

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Yeah this happened to me too. The interest rates aren't massive but it's still annoying. Better to be slightly conservative with your estimate if you're not 100% sure.

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PixelWarrior

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One thing nobody's mentioned - make sure your kids have SSNs or ITINs! The Credit for Other Dependents (family tax credit) requires a valid taxpayer ID for each dependent. I learned this the hard way last year when I tried to claim my nephew who had just moved to the US and didn't have his ITIN yet. Also, double-check the relationship test. The Credit for Other Dependents is more flexible than the Child Tax Credit, but there are still relationship requirements. Most tax software will walk you through it, but it's good to know before you count on that money.

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Do you know if I can claim this credit if my kids split time between me and my ex? We have 50/50 custody but alternate claiming them as dependents each year. This year is my year to claim them.

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PixelWarrior

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Yes, you can claim the Credit for Other Dependents in a shared custody situation when it's your year to claim the children as dependents. When parents alternate years for claiming dependents (which is common in divorce agreements), the parent claiming the dependent for that tax year gets all the associated tax benefits, including the Credit for Other Dependents. Just make sure you have the proper documentation that shows it's your year to claim them according to your custody agreement. This prevents both parents from accidentally claiming the same child, which would trigger IRS notices.

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Does anyone know if this credit phases out at higher incomes? I make about $150k and sometimes tax benefits disappear for me.

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Yes, the Credit for Other Dependents starts phasing out at $200,000 for single filers and $400,000 for married filing jointly. It phases out at a rate of $50 for each $1,000 your modified AGI exceeds these thresholds. So at $150k you should still get the full credit amount!

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Amina Diop

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One thing to consider is taking out a loan to pay the taxes if the interest rate would be lower than IRS penalties. I had a similar issue (owed about $18k) and took out a personal loan at 8.9% to pay it off, which was better than the combined IRS penalties and interest. Credit unions sometimes offer decent rates for this kind of thing, or you might qualify for a 0% intro APR credit card that could buy you 12-15 months to sort things out.

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Wouldn't a HELOC be even better if they own a home? The rates are usually much lower than personal loans.

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Amina Diop

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Yes, a HELOC would definitely be better if you own a home with sufficient equity. The rates are typically much lower than personal loans, often in the 4-6% range currently. Plus the interest might be tax-deductible if you use it for home improvements (though not for paying taxes). I suggested a personal loan because many traders who get caught in this situation are younger and might not own property yet. But you're absolutely right that a HELOC is a better option if available.

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Has anyone mentioned Form 9465? That's the Installment Agreement Request. You can setup a plan for up to 72 months.

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Form 9465 is exactly what I used when I owed $15k a few years back. Super straightforward. Just know that if you owe over $10k they'll probably file a tax lien which can affect your credit.

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Can anyone check if my Forms 8606 and 5327 for 2023 are correctly filled out for my 2022 Roth IRA recharacterization?

I've been pulling my hair out trying to get this situation entered correctly into tax software, and I'm hoping someone can check if I did it right. **The Situation** In 2022, my income unexpectedly went over the Roth IRA limit. So in January 2023, I had to recharacterize about $390 of my Roth contribution and basically do a backdoor Roth conversion. Got some great advice here last year! Then in 2023, I did a standard backdoor Roth conversion of $8,500 (no gains before conversion). Now for my 2023 taxes, I have two 1099-Rs from my Roth provider: - 1099-R #1: $9,058.00 - 1099-R #2: $390.00 - Total: $9,448.00 **2022 Form 5329** - Line 24 (Total excess contributions): $390 - Line 25 (Additional tax): $23 **2022 Form 8606** - Line 16 (net converted from traditional IRAs to Roth IRAs): $390 - Line 17 (basis in amount on line 16): $390 - Line 18 (Taxable amount): $0 **2023 Form 5329** - Line 22 (Prior year excess contributions): $390 - Line 24 (Total excess contributions): $390 - Line 25 (Additional tax): $23 **2023 Form 8606** - Line 16 (amount converted from traditional IRAs to Roths): $9,448 - Line 17 (basis in amount on line 16): $9,448 - Line 18 (Taxable amount): $0 - Line 25c (Taxable amount to include on Form 1040): $0 I'm confused about the $9,058 1099-R, but I think the math is: 1. Amount recharacterized from 2022: $390 2. Amount from standard backdoor conversion in 2023: $8,500 3. And line 25 ($23) of my 2023 Form 5329 is the additional tax from 2022. I had to do some weird workarounds in both cash app and TurboTax, but I think this is correct? Also, why am I paying this $23 tax again? Do I need to take additional steps with my Roth to finally close this out?

Maya Diaz

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you contributed to a Roth when you were over the income limit, you probably also need to account for any earnings on that excess contribution. The 6% penalty applies to both the excess contribution AND its earnings. Did your custodian provide a breakdown of how much of that recharacterized amount was principal vs. earnings? This might explain why your numbers don't perfectly align.

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My custodian did break it down - there were about $78 in earnings on the excess amount. Does that change how I should handle the forms? So confused about why I'm still paying penalties even after doing what I thought was the right thing.

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Maya Diaz

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That explains it! When you recharacterize, both the contribution and earnings get moved. But for the 6% penalty calculation, you're still considered to have made an excess contribution until you properly "use up" that contribution amount. You need to either: 1) reduce your 2024 Roth contribution by the $390 excess amount, or 2) remove the $390 from your retirement accounts entirely. The earnings situation is properly handled through the recharacterization, but the "slot" of contribution is what's creating the ongoing penalty. Form 5329 has a specific line where you can claim a "credit" for addressing the prior year's excess. Make sure to complete that for 2024 once you've taken one of these steps, and you'll stop the penalty cycle.

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Tami Morgan

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Question for people who've dealt with this: Does tax software automatically handle these forms correctly or do we need to manually override things? I'm using H&R Block software and it seems confused by my recharacterization.

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Rami Samuels

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In my experience, NO tax software handles Roth recharacterizations correctly, especially when they span multiple tax years. I had to manually override several fields in TurboTax last year. The biggest issue is that the tax software interview questions don't properly distinguish between recharacterization vs conversion, and they don't track your basis correctly across tax years. I'd strongly recommend either getting professional help or at minimum running your completed forms by a tool that specializes in these situations before filing.

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Tami Morgan

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Thank you! That's really helpful. I think I'll have to do some manual overrides then. I was worried I was doing something wrong but it sounds like the software itself just doesn't handle these complex situations well.

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Why were my 2022-2023 taxes so much worse as a self-employed person?

I need some genuine insight here about my tax situation. Had a conversation with friends recently about why my taxes were so much higher in 2022 and 2023, but everyone just started blaming political figures instead of giving real answers. I'm trying to understand what actually happened from a tax perspective. I've been self-employed since 2009 and have consistently increased my profits each year. Up until 2022-2023, I never had issues covering my quarterly estimated payments - I'd just write the checks without even checking my balance because I knew the money would be there. But these last two tax years hit me HARD. For the first time since starting my business, I didn't have enough in my business checking to comfortably cover both my year-end payment and 1st quarterly payment. What's weird is I'm doing roughly the same amount of business as before, but after expenses, the money just isn't stretching as far for tax payments. I'm in the process of switching to an S-Corp structure which I think will help, but I'm curious if others experienced similar issues in 2022-2023. I've talked to other self-employed friends, including a developer who said he was completely shocked by his 2023 tax bill and thought his accountant made a mistake. But it's hard to separate legitimate tax concerns from political opinions. I'm not looking to blame any political party or candidate - just trying to understand if this is a common experience for self-employed people at my income level during those specific years or if there were actual tax changes that caused this spike. Can anyone point me to legitimate information about what might have happened?

One major factor I haven't seen mentioned yet is the inflation adjustment to tax brackets. In 2022-2023, inflation was running hot, but the IRS bracket adjustments are based on earlier data. So even though your nominal income went up, your real purchasing power might not have increased proportionally. This phenomenon is called "bracket creep" and it can definitely make your tax bill feel higher even when tax laws haven't changed. Also, if you received any forgiveness of PPP loans in earlier years, that created an artificially lower tax situation that has now normalized, making the current tax environment feel more painful by comparison.

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Can you explain bracket creep more simply? I kinda get it but not really. Does this mean we should expect the same thing to happen for 2024 taxes?

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Bracket creep happens when inflation pushes your income into higher tax brackets, even though your actual purchasing power hasn't increased. For example, if you made $100,000 in 2021 and $108,000 in 2022 (an 8% increase), you might think you're 8% richer. But if inflation was also 8%, your real purchasing power stayed the same - yet you might be paying taxes at a higher rate because you crossed into a higher bracket. For 2024, the brackets were adjusted by 7.1% for inflation, which is pretty substantial. This should help reduce bracket creep compared to 2022-2023. However, if your income grows faster than that adjustment, you could still experience some bracket creep effect. The key is to look at your effective tax rate (total tax divided by total income) rather than just the dollar amount to see if you're truly paying a higher percentage.

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Sayid Hassan

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Has anyone else noticed that the cost of health insurance premiums for self-employed people went way up in 2022 and 2023? That might also be contributing to the cash flow crunch. I know my premiums went up about 23% over those two years, which ate into my available funds even though it's technically deductible.

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Rachel Tao

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Absolutely this! My health insurance premiums jumped by almost 30% between 2021 and 2023. And while yes, we can deduct them, that deduction only helps on income tax, not self-employment tax. So we're still paying 15.3% SE tax on money that immediately goes out the door to health insurance.

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