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I totally understand your anxiety! š° Going through this same situation is so stressful, especially when you have important expenses planned. From what I've learned from others here, TPG reviews are unfortunately pretty standard but nerve-wracking. A few things that might help while you wait: ⢠Check your IRS transcript online (irs.gov) to see if your refund has already been sent to TPG - this can give you peace of mind that the IRS side is done ⢠Keep calling TPG customer service daily - sometimes persistence pays off ⢠Document everything (dates, times, who you spoke with) in case you need to escalate The good news is that most people here seem to get their money within a few days, even though it feels like forever. Hang in there! šŖ Your mom's medical supplies are important and hopefully this gets resolved quickly. Keep us updated on how it goes!
I'm so sorry you're going through this stress! š As someone who's dealt with TPG before, I can share what worked for me: **Immediate steps you can take:** ⢠Get your IRS transcript at irs.gov/individuals/get-transcript - this will show if the IRS has already sent your refund to TPG (code 846 means it's been disbursed) ⢠Call TPG at 1-877-908-7228 and ask specifically what's flagging the review - don't accept vague answers ⢠If they won't give details, ask to speak with a supervisor **What likely happened:** TPG probably received your refund from the IRS already but their automated system flagged something minor (could be as simple as a name formatting difference). The review is on their end, not the IRS. **Timeline reality check:** Most TPG reviews resolve in 2-4 business days. I know that feels like forever when you need the money for your mom's medical supplies, but try to stay calm. If it goes beyond 5 business days, that's when you should escalate more aggressively. Document every call you make. You've got this! šŖ
I just want to point out that depending on what state you're in, you might face significant transfer taxes even if you avoid federal income tax. When we transferred property between related LLCs in Pennsylvania, we were hit with a surprise 2% transfer tax even though it was essentially the same ownership. Some states have exemptions for related entity transfers, but many don't. Worth checking your state's specific rules before proceeding.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential impact on depreciation recapture. Since you mentioned the property has appreciated from $675k to $950k over 6 years, you've likely been taking depreciation deductions on the commercial building. Even if the transfer itself qualifies as a non-taxable event under Section 721, you need to consider what happens to the depreciation basis. The receiving LLC will generally take a carryover basis, which means any future sale could trigger depreciation recapture at ordinary income rates (up to 25% for real estate). Also, make sure you're aware of the "hot asset" rules under Section 751. Commercial real estate can sometimes have components (like personal property fixtures) that are treated differently for partnership tax purposes. Given the complexity with the debt, different ownership percentages, and potential state transfer taxes others have mentioned, I'd strongly recommend getting a written tax opinion from a qualified professional before proceeding. The cost of the opinion will be minimal compared to the potential tax consequences of getting this wrong.
This is exactly the kind of detailed analysis I was hoping to see! The depreciation recapture angle is something our accountant barely touched on. You're absolutely right about the carryover basis - we've been taking depreciation for 6 years so there's definitely going to be a substantial recapture liability down the road. The "hot asset" rules under Section 751 are completely new to me. Could you elaborate on what specific fixtures or components might be treated differently? We have some built-in equipment and improvements that were capitalized separately from the building itself. I'm definitely leaning toward getting that written tax opinion now. Between the debt, ownership differences, state transfer taxes, and now the depreciation issues, this is way more complex than I initially thought. Better to spend a few thousand on proper advice than get blindsided later.
Quick tip about the VIN issue - I'm a car salesperson and see this problem ALL THE TIME with hybrid tax credits. There's often a disconnect between how the manufacturer reports VINs to the IRS and how dealers record them. Sometimes it's as simple as a space or dash in the wrong place. Get your Manufacturer's Statement of Origin (MSO) from the dealer - this is the birth certificate of your car and has the VIN exactly as the manufacturer recorded it. Compare this to what you submitted. I've seen cases where someone put a letter O instead of a zero or vice versa. Also, check if your specific hybrid model has the required battery capacity for the credit you're claiming. The requirements changed in 2023 and some vehicles that qualified before no longer do.
This is super helpful. My Kia dealer never mentioned an MSO document when I bought my hybrid. Is this something they're required to provide? Would it be listed on any of the paperwork they typically give you when purchasing?
@Amara Adeyemi The MSO isn t'always given to customers at purchase - many dealers keep it for their records. You re'absolutely entitled to a copy though! Contact your Kia dealer s'finance department and request a copy of the Manufacturer s'Statement of Origin for your vehicle. They should be able to provide it within a few days. If they give you any pushback, mention that you need it for tax documentation purposes. The MSO will show the VIN exactly as Kia recorded it in their system, which should match what they reported to the IRS for hybrid tax credit eligibility. This could be the key to resolving your VIN mismatch issue with the IRS.
Just wanted to add one more resource that helped me with my hybrid credit appeal - the IRS has Publication 535 which specifically covers business deductions, but more importantly for your situation, they have a lesser-known document called "Appeals Mediation Guidelines" that you can request when filing Form 12203. When I was dealing with my denied electric vehicle credit (similar situation), I discovered that you can specifically request "fast-track mediation" on your Form 12203 if the disputed amount is under $25,000. This process is designed to resolve cases within 40-60 days instead of the typical 6+ months for regular appeals. The key thing I learned is to be very specific about WHY you believe the IRS determination was incorrect. Don't just say "I qualify for the credit" - explain exactly what documentation proves your vehicle qualifies, when you purchased it, and why their VIN verification system may have failed to match your car properly. Also, since you mentioned the dealership couldn't help initially, try contacting your car manufacturer's customer service directly. They often have a tax credit verification department that can provide official documentation showing your specific VIN qualifies for the credit during your purchase period.
Wait ur telling me ID.me verification doesnt even matter? what was the point then smh
its for different systems... because ofc the IRS cant just have ONE verification system that works š
Been there! The frustrating part is that ID.me and TPP are completely separate systems that don't talk to each other. ID.me is for accessing your online IRS account, while TPP verification is specifically for flagged tax returns. When you call 800-830-5084 with your control number 70221424664353, they'll likely ask you questions about prior year tax info, personal details, and specifics from your 2022 return. Make sure you have your 2021 return handy and any documents related to your 2022 filing. The good news is once you complete this verification, your 2022 return should finally process and you'll see movement on your transcript. Just another hoop to jump through in the wonderful world of IRS bureaucracy! š¤·āāļø
Ava Williams
Pro tip: if u get on an income based repayment plan BEFORE filing taxes they usually won't offset. Worked for me last year!
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Klaus Schmidt
ā¢how long did it take you to get approved for the plan?
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Ava Williams
ā¢bout 3 weeks start to finish. Worth every minute of the hassle tho
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Daniel White
Been through this nightmare myself last year. Yes, DOE offsets are definitely happening in 2024 - they resumed in October 2023 after the COVID pause ended. I had my entire refund taken except for the refundable portions like CTC and EITC. The key is to act FAST if you want to avoid it. Call the Federal Student Aid contact center at 1-800-621-3115 immediately to discuss rehabilitation or consolidation options. Even if you're already in the offset process, getting into a payment plan can sometimes stop future offsets. Don't wait - tax season moves quick and once that refund is gone, it's gone!
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