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I went through something similar with about $40k in back taxes from my consulting business. One thing I didn't see mentioned yet - look into penalty abatement! If this was your first time getting into tax trouble, you might qualify for First-Time Penalty Abatement which could significantly reduce what you owe. In my case, about $12k of my bill was penalties and interest. I filed for abatement using Form 843 and got most of the penalties removed. Didn't solve the whole problem but made it much more manageable. Also, definitely file your CNC request properly. If you get approved for CNC status, the 10-year statute of limitations continues to run while you're in that status. After 10 years, any remaining tax debt can expire (though there are exceptions).

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How complicated is the penalty abatement form? Did you need help filling it out or is it something that's pretty straightforward?

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The penalty abatement form (Form 843) is actually pretty straightforward. It's just two pages, and for First-Time Penalty Abatement, you basically need to explain that you've had a good compliance history before this issue and had reasonable cause for the failure to pay. I wrote a simple letter stating I had always filed and paid on time previously, was unaware of the proper estimated tax requirements for my new business, and was now taking steps to resolve the situation. Include your contact info, the tax periods you're requesting abatement for, and why you believe you qualify. It took about 8 weeks to get approved in my case.

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Don't forget to check if you qualify for any of the tax relief programs specific to the pandemic! If your business was affected during that time, there might be some additional options. The IRS created several taxpayer relief initiatives during COVID that some people don't know about. Also, when you file for an Offer in Compromise, the IRS uses a specific formula to determine what they'll accept. They generally want either: 1. The quick sale value of your assets, OR 2. Your monthly disposable income Ɨ 12 (or Ɨ 24 if you're paying over time) With your income and expenses, you might be able to settle for a fraction of what you owe. Don't be discouraged by the $75k figure!

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Emma Bianchi

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Thanks for mentioning COVID relief options. My business was definitely affected during that time. Do you know if these programs are still available in 2025? Also, how exactly do they calculate "disposable income" for the OIC formula?

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Many of the COVID relief options have expired, but the IRS is still processing applications submitted during the eligible periods. If your tax debt originated during the pandemic years, you might still qualify for certain penalty relief under their broader "reasonable cause" criteria. It's worth mentioning in any communications with the IRS. For calculating disposable income in an OIC, they take your gross monthly income and subtract what they call "allowable expenses." These are based on national and local standards for living expenses like housing, transportation, food, etc. The key is that they use their own standards, not your actual expenses for many categories. So if your car payment is higher than their standard transportation allowance, they'll only count the standard amount. This is where many people run into issues with OICs - the IRS might calculate your disposable income as higher than what you actually have available after paying your real bills.

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet - after you paper file, make sure you keep proof of mailing! I was in this exact situation last year (rejection due to non-filer status) and the IRS lost my paper return TWICE. Get a certified mail receipt or similar tracking proof from whatever service you use. Also, for your state taxes, I'd recommend still filing electronically if possible. Most states have separate systems and won't reject you based on federal non-filer status. Pay what you owe to the state immediately to avoid penalties, even if your federal return is still processing.

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Can I just file my state taxes separately even if I normally do them together with my federal? I use TurboTax and I'm not sure how to separate them after I've already entered all my info for both.

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Absolutely! Most tax software allows you to file state separately from federal. In TurboTax, after completing both returns, you can choose to e-file just the state portion. Look for filing options during the final steps - there should be checkboxes for federal and state that you can select independently. If for some reason your software doesn't allow separate filing, you can also go directly to your state's tax website. Many states offer free filing options for basic returns, and you can enter your information there independently from your federal return.

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Dylan Wright

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Does anyone know how this affects my tax refund timeline? My return was rejected for the same non-filer reason, and I'm expecting about $3,000 back which I really need soon. If I have to paper file now, am I looking at months of waiting?

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Sofia Torres

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Unfortunately, yes. Paper returns are taking 6-12 weeks minimum to process this year, and that's if everything goes perfectly. My brother was in your situation last year and ended up waiting almost 4 months for his refund after paper filing. The non-filer issue seems to flag returns for additional manual review too.

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Another option to consider is using a Professional Employer Organization (PEO) for your PLLC. I switched to this model last year for my S-Corp and it's been a game changer. They handle all payroll, tax filings, workers comp, and even offer benefits access at group rates that small businesses normally can't get. The big advantage is they become the "employer of record" for tax purposes, which significantly reduces your administrative burden. Costs are typically a percentage of payroll (around 2-4%) or a flat fee per employee. For a single-member S-Corp, some have special small business rates.

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Doesn't using a PEO create complications with the S-Corp structure though? I heard that can cause issues with how distributions are handled versus salary.

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No complications with the S-Corp structure at all. The PEO only handles the employment administration side - payroll processing, tax filings, compliance, etc. You still maintain complete control over your business operations and how you structure your compensation. Your S-Corp still exists exactly as before, and you can still take distributions separate from your salary. The PEO simply handles the W-2 employee portion of your compensation. Actually, many PEOs have specific expertise with S-Corps and can help ensure you're maintaining the proper salary-to-distribution ratio to satisfy IRS requirements while maximizing tax benefits.

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Has anyone tried just paying themselves once or twice a year instead of monthly to minimize the payroll processing headache? I'm thinking of setting up my PLLC with S-Corp election but only running payroll quarterly or semi-annually to reduce the administrative work.

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You technically can do this, but you need to be careful. The IRS expects regular, reasonable compensation for services performed. Running payroll just once or twice a year with large amounts can raise red flags, especially if you're taking distributions throughout the year.

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Omar Fawzi

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Quick clarification about Publication 544 that might help - this publication mainly covers sales and dispositions of assets, including capital assets. For crypto specifically, the IRS treats it as property, not currency. This means: - Every sale or exchange = taxable event - Mining = taxable as ordinary income when received - Getting paid in crypto = taxable as income at fair market value - Gifting crypto = no immediate tax implication if under annual gift limit ($15,000 in 2021) - Donating crypto = potential deduction at fair market value The 2019 reference is probably because the guidance hasn't changed substantially since then. IRS Notice 2014-21 is still their main guidance document for crypto.

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Chloe Wilson

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What about staking rewards? Are those taxed when received or when sold?

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Omar Fawzi

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Staking rewards are generally taxed as ordinary income when you receive them, based on their fair market value at that time. They establish your cost basis for those coins. Then, when you eventually sell those staking rewards, you'll calculate capital gains/losses based on the difference between your selling price and that initial value when received. This is similar to how mining is treated - taxed as income when received, then potentially subject to capital gains tax when eventually sold.

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Does anyone know if we need to file Form 8938 for crypto holdings? My accountant said I might need to since I have over $75k in various coins but I thought that was just for foreign accounts?

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Form 8938 is for "specified foreign financial assets" - the IRS hasn't definitively stated that crypto qualifies for this. Most tax pros are taking the conservative approach and including crypto if it's held on foreign exchanges and meets the threshold. Better safe than sorry with FBAR and 8938 reporting!

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if the collectible truly has no value, have you considered just taking the loss personally before contributing it to the partnership? You could potentially claim a capital loss of $1,000 on your personal return if you can document that the collectible is worthless. That might be cleaner than contributing a worthless asset with a built-in loss that would need to be tracked through the partnership. Just a thought, since Section 704(c) allocations can get complex fast.

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That's actually a really interesting approach I hadn't considered. Would I need some kind of formal appraisal to prove the collectible is worthless? Or would documentation of the scam be enough to claim the capital loss?

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You don't necessarily need a formal appraisal, but you do need adequate documentation to prove worthlessness if audited. Documentation about the scam would be helpful, especially if you filed any kind of police report or complaint with consumer protection agencies. For collectibles specifically, getting a written statement from a reputable dealer in that type of collectible confirming it has minimal or no value can also be good supporting evidence. The key is showing that the loss of value is permanent, not just a temporary market fluctuation.

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Diego Flores

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Wait, I'm confused about something. If you contribute property with a $1,000 basis but $0 fair market value, and later the partnership liquidates and you get nothing back for your interest, do you get to claim a $1,000 loss at that point? Or did you essentially lose the ability to claim that loss by contributing it instead of selling/disposing of it personally?

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You would still eventually get the loss, but timing matters. If you contribute the property and the partnership later liquidates giving you nothing, you'd recognize a loss equal to your remaining basis in the partnership interest (which started at $1,000 but could be adjusted by partnership operations over time). The issue with contributing property with built-in loss is that Section 704(c) requires the built-in loss to be allocated to the contributing partner when the property is sold or otherwise disposed of by the partnership. But you don't lose the loss entirely - it's just a matter of when and how you get to claim it.

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