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Rudy Cenizo

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Just to add another data point - we're seeing the same thing. Our refund dropped from $5,200 last year to about $1,600 this year. I checked our paystubs and sure enough, we've been getting about $300 more per month combined in our paychecks because less tax is being withheld. So actually we're getting MORE money overall, it's just spread out over the year instead of in one lump sum. I know some people use tax refunds as a forced savings method, but financially it makes more sense to get the money in your paychecks and put some in savings yourself. If you really want a bigger refund next year, just fill out a new W4 and put an additional amount to withhold on line 4c. That's what we're doing - having an extra $100 per paycheck withheld so we'll get a bigger refund next year.

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Melissa Lin

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Thanks for this explanation! I went back and checked our paystubs from this year vs last year and you're totally right. We're getting about $280 more per month in our paychecks compared to last year. That adds up to around $3,360 for the year, which almost exactly accounts for the difference in our refund. I guess I never noticed the slightly larger paychecks since it wasn't a huge difference per pay period, but it definitely adds up over the year! This makes me feel so much better. We might still adjust our W4 to get a slightly bigger refund next year since we like having that forced savings, but at least now I understand what happened.

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Natalie Khan

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Just a heads up - double check that your filing status is correct in your tax software. You mentioned your W2 has HOH (Head of Household) but you're filing married jointly. Those are two different filing statuses and you can't be both. HOH is for unmarried people who pay more than half the cost of keeping up a home for a qualifying person. If you're married and living with your spouse, you can't file as HOH. Make sure your tax software has you filing as "Married Filing Jointly" and not accidentally as "Head of Household" - that could definitely affect your refund amount!

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Daryl Bright

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I think they mean their W4 withholding at work is set to HOH, not their actual filing status. That's actually a common mistake - people have their withholding set wrong all year and then file with their correct status.

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Mei Zhang

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You might want to check with USPS if mail delivery is an ongoing issue in your area. My W-2 got lost last year and I had to request a duplicate. Just a heads up that if you do end up needing a replacement, some companies charge a fee (which is totally bogus but they do it anyway). My previous job wanted $15 for a "replacement processing fee" which seemed like a complete scam.

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Thanks for the heads up about the potential fee. Did you end up paying it or is there a way around that? I've already had 3 pieces of mail go missing in the last two months so I wouldn't be surprised if my W-2 doesn't make it either.

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Mei Zhang

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I ended up paying it because I needed my W-2 urgently and didn't have time to fight about it. But technically, employers are required by law to provide your W-2 without charging fees, so you could push back on that if they try to charge you. I'd recommend setting up informed delivery with USPS if you haven't already. It sends you daily emails with scans of mail that's supposed to arrive that day, so at least you'll know if your W-2 was processed through the mail system.

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Liam McGuire

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Just a tip - if you're really in a hurry to file, you can actually submit your taxes with a substitute W-2 form (Form 4852) if your employer hasn't provided your W-2 by the end of January. You'll need your last paystub to complete it accurately though. I had to do this last year and my refund wasn't delayed at all.

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Amara Eze

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Be careful with this advice! Filing with Form 4852 before giving your employer a reasonable amount of time can create problems. The IRS expects you to make a serious effort to get your W-2 first, and filing with estimated numbers that later turn out wrong can lead to having to file an amended return.

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Malik Davis

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Former film payroll person here! Let me clarify something: in the film industry, whether you're classified as an employee (W-2) or independent contractor (1099) often depends on the production company's payroll practices and sometimes the state you're working in. Most legitimate productions run extras through payroll as W-2 employees because they control when you work, what you wear, where you stand, etc. - all factors that make you an employee under IRS guidelines. Some smaller productions might incorrectly classify extras as independent contractors (1099) to avoid paying the employer portion of taxes, but that's often misclassification. If you received a W-2, be thankful! The production did it correctly, and you don't have to pay self-employment tax. Your friend who files as self-employed likely receives 1099s instead of W-2s.

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Wait, does that mean if I'm getting 1099s as an extra I'm being misclassified? I've been paying self-employment taxes for years but the production companies totally control everything about my work!

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Malik Davis

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You might indeed be misclassified. The IRS uses a control test - if the company controls what you do and how you do it, you should generally be classified as an employee (W-2), not an independent contractor (1099). For film extras, since the production tells you exactly when to show up, what to wear, where to stand, when to move, etc., you typically meet the definition of an employee. Some production companies misclassify extras as independent contractors to save on payroll taxes, but this isn't usually correct under IRS guidelines. If you believe you're misclassified, you can file Form SS-8 with the IRS for a determination, though be aware this might create tension with companies that hire you.

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StarStrider

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One thing nobody mentioned - if you got a W-2 and had federal taxes withheld, you should DEFINITELY file even if you're not required to! Otherwise, you're just giving the government free money that should be returned to you as a refund. Check box 2 on your W-2 form. If there's any amount there, that's money that was taken from your paycheck for federal taxes. With only $8800 in income for the year and being a student, you'll likely get most or all of that back. I made a similar mistake my first year working in film and lost out on a $700 refund because I waited too long to file. Don't make my mistake!

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Wow thank you!!! I just checked my W-2 and there's almost $500 in box 2! I had no idea I might get that back. I'm definitely filing now!

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Ravi Gupta

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You can still claim refunds for up to 3 years after the filing deadline! If your mistake was within the last 3 years, you can still file for those years and get your money.

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Don't forget about professional liability insurance! Absolutely essential when starting your practice. Even if you're careful, mistakes happen, and a single lawsuit could bankrupt a new business. I use Camico but there are several good options. Also, join your state's society of CPAs or tax preparer association even if you're not a CPA. The networking and continuing education are invaluable, plus many offer discounts on software and services for members.

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Thanks for mentioning insurance! What's a ballpark figure I should expect to pay for decent coverage as a solo preparer? And are there specific coverage amounts you'd recommend?

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For a new solo preparer with no prior claims, expect to pay between $500-800 annually for a basic policy with $100,000 in coverage. I'd recommend starting with at least $250,000 in coverage if you can swing it, especially if you'll be doing anything beyond basic W-2 returns. As your practice grows and you take on more complex returns like business filings, you'll want to increase coverage to $500,000 or more. Many policies also include coverage for representation costs if a client is audited, which clients really appreciate. Some insurers offer monthly payment options which helps with cash flow when you're just starting out.

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Any thoughts on the best way to set fees when first starting out? I'm torn between hourly and flat-rate pricing.

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Monique Byrd

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Flat rate all the way. Clients hate surprises with billing. I have a menu of services with set prices based on form complexity. Like $350 for basic returns, $500 with Schedule C, etc. Then add-ons for extra schedules. Much easier to market and clients know exactly what they're getting.

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Paolo Romano

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Breaking even is actually kind of rare in my experience! I've been doing my family's taxes for years and we either owe a bit or get a small refund, never exactly zero. Maybe buy your tax guy a drink for getting it so perfect lol. One thing to check - did you have any unusual one-time events this year? Like selling stock, starting/ending a side business, moving to a different state? Those can sometimes create these perfect storm situations where everything balances out.

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Actually I did start a small side business this year that lost about $3,800, and I sold some long-term investments that had gained around $4,200. I wonder if those mostly canceling each other out contributed to this situation.

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Paolo Romano

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That explains it perfectly! Your capital gains from the investments were likely offset by your business losses. Since they were long-term gains, they're taxed at a different rate than ordinary income, but the business loss can offset both types of income. Your tax preparer did a good job navigating this. If you're planning to continue the side business, you might want to talk to them about estimated tax payments for next year, especially if you expect the business to become profitable. This break-even situation probably won't repeat unless you have a similar pattern of gains and losses.

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Amina Diop

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anyone else actually PREFER to break even? i always set my w4 to try to get as close to zero as possible. my coworkers think im crazy because they all want big refunds but i'd rather have my money during the year!!

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100% agree! I've been adjusting my withholding for years to get as close to zero as possible. Put the difference in a high-yield savings account throughout the year instead of giving the government an interest-free loan.

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