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Have you checked if you might be missing some deductions? My husband and I were in a similar situation ($240k combined income) and kept owing despite withholding at the single rate with 0 allowances. Turns out we weren't maximizing our retirement contributions. Once we both maxed out our 401ks, that lowered our taxable income enough that we broke even. Plus, you know, we're saving for retirement which is a bonus. Also, do you have any 1099 income on the side? Even small amounts of self-employment income without quarterly payments can push you into owing territory.

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That's an interesting point about retirement contributions! We do contribute to our 401ks but definitely not maxing them out. How much difference did that make in your tax situation? And no, we don't have any 1099 income - just our regular W-2 jobs.

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For us, maxing out our 401ks made a huge difference. At your income level, it could save you around $8,000-10,000 in taxes annually depending on your tax bracket. When we went from contributing about 6% to the max (which is $22,500 per person for 2023), our withholding issues disappeared. It effectively reduced our taxable income by about $35,000 combined. It was a bit of a lifestyle adjustment to put that much away, but the tax savings plus the long-term retirement benefits made it worthwhile. And honestly, once it's automatically deducted, you adjust your spending and barely notice it.

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Jayden Hill

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Check your state tax withholding too! Everyone's talking about federal, but my wife and I had this exact problem. We fixed our federal withholding but forgot about state taxes. We live in California with high state taxes, and even though our federal withholding was perfect, we were under-withholding for state.

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This! I'm in NY and had the same issue. The state withholding tables don't always scale correctly with the federal ones, especially for dual-income households in high tax states.

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Grace Durand

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I'm a landlord with multiple properties and I've been deducting my inspection miles for years without any issues. One tip I'd add - consider using a dedicated app like MileIQ or Everlance to track your trips automatically. They use GPS to log your drives and let you classify them as business or personal with a simple swipe. At tax time, you can just export a report of all your rental property trips. Super easy and creates a solid record if you ever get audited. Most of these apps also track the purpose, so you can specifically note "rental inspection" each time.

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Steven Adams

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Do those apps work if you have multiple rental properties? Like can you categorize which property you're visiting or does it just lump all "business" miles together?

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Grace Durand

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Yes, most of the better mileage tracking apps let you create multiple subcategories under "business." I have mine set up with separate categories for each property address, so I can track which trips were for which property specifically. This is especially helpful at tax time since I have separate Schedule E forms for each property. You can even add notes for each trip like "monthly inspection" or "meeting tenant" or "repair visit." The detailed reports have actually saved me during an audit once when the IRS questioned some of my travel deductions.

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Anyone else worried about getting audited for claiming too many "inspection" miles? I own a rental but only visit maybe once every few months when there's actual work to do. Weekly seems excessive and might raise red flags.

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I think it depends on the distance. If your rental is 5 miles away and you claim weekly visits, that's reasonable. If it's 100 miles away and you claim weekly inspections with no maintenance or tenant interactions, that might look suspicious. My accountant said regular inspections are fine but documentation is key.

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Caesar Grant

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One really important thing nobody has mentioned - get that unfiled tax return done IMMEDIATELY. The IRS doesn't look kindly on payment plan requests when you still have unfiled returns. When my husband was in this situation, we had to file all missing returns before they would even discuss payment arrangements. Also, depending on your boyfriend's income, he might qualify for Currently Not Collectible status if he can't afford payments right now.

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Naila Gordon

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Thank you for this advice. We made an appointment with a tax preparer for tomorrow to get last year's return filed properly. Do you know if we should wait to contact the IRS until after we've filed that missing return, or should we call them now to try to put a hold on the CP504?

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Caesar Grant

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I would contact the IRS immediately about the CP504, even before the tax return is completed. Let them know you're actively working on filing the missing return and have an appointment scheduled. Request a temporary hold on collection activities while you get everything in order. When you call, be prepared with your boyfriend's financial information because they might ask about his current income and expenses to determine what kind of payment arrangement is appropriate. The missing return is important, but addressing the immediate levy threat should be your first priority.

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Lena Schultz

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Make sure your bf doesn't ignore this! My roommate did exactly that thinking they wouldn't really do anything and the IRS ended up taking money directly from his bank account. They also sent notices to his employer and took part of his paycheck for months. The payment plan option is definitely the way to go. My roommate eventually set one up for $180/month on a $12k debt and they immediately stopped the levy actions. Just make sure he stays current on the payments!

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How much did they take from his paycheck? Is it like a fixed amount or a percentage?

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You're legally required to report your expenses. If you don't and get audited, you could face penalties for misrepresenting your income. The IRS expects rental properties to have expenses. What's happening is that your rental is probably showing a loss after expenses. Since your income is relatively high, these losses are being limited by passive activity loss rules. However, these losses don't disappear - they carry forward to future years or until you dispose of the property. Definitely talk to a CPA who specializes in real estate. This is a complex area and online tax software doesn't always explain things clearly.

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StarSeeker

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Thanks for the clear explanation. I definitely don't want to do anything that would trigger an audit. Do you know if these carried forward losses have any time limit? Like if I keep the property for another 10 years, can I still use these losses when I eventually sell?

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There is no time limit on carried forward passive losses. You can continue to carry them forward indefinitely until you either have passive income to offset them against or until you dispose of the property in a taxable transaction. When you eventually sell the property, you'll be able to use all accumulated passive losses against any type of income (not just passive income). This is one of the benefits of holding real estate long-term - those suspended losses can create a nice tax break when you ultimately sell the property, even if it's 10, 20, or more years down the road.

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Paolo Conti

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Another rental owner here! This is completely normal and happens to all of us with higher incomes. You NEED to report those expenses even though it seems counterintuitive. Here's why: 1) Those expenses adjust your basis in the property, which affects capital gains when you sell 2) Unused losses carry forward indefinitely 3) When you eventually sell, you can use ALL accumulated losses against ANY income type Also, don't forget to properly classify repairs vs improvements. Repairs can be deducted fully in the current year, while improvements need to be depreciated. That new flooring and sod might be improvements, not repairs.

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Amina Diallo

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How do you tell the difference between a repair and an improvement? I replaced my water heater last year and wasn't sure how to classify it.

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What could cause a $14,999 deduction on Schedule 3, Line 8? Need help understanding mysterious tax break

I'm a high-earning employee with just W2 income (salary plus some RSUs) and the usual interest/dividend stuff. Nothing fancy like real estate or side businesses. For the first time this year, I hired a CPA based on recommendations from colleagues. He just sent me my draft tax return and there's something weird - he included a $14,999 deduction on my federal taxes on line 20 of Form 1040, with a note saying "Amount from Schedule 3, line 8." The problem is he didn't include the actual Schedule 3 form in what he sent me, so I have absolutely no clue where this came from. I've been going through everything with a fine-tooth comb because I already caught a couple of other mistakes, and now he's stopped responding to my emails. I tried checking on FreeTaxUSA to see what might go there, but their software doesn't show anything for this line on my return. Even looking at a blank Schedule 3 form, nothing stands out as something that would apply to my situation. Some friends who use this same CPA say he's great at finding legitimate deductions, but I'm skeptical about this one. For reference, my previous tax preparer only put a $140 Foreign Tax Credit on line 20 last year. My income roughly doubled this year, but I can't imagine what would justify such a massive deduction. Any idea what could possibly be behind a $14,999 deduction on Schedule 3, line 8? Legitimate or should I be worried?

I had almost the exact same situation last year - $12,000+ mysterious deduction on Schedule 3, line 8. Turns out my CPA was claiming the Credit for Sick Leave for Self-Employed Individuals from the pandemic relief provisions, but I'm not self-employed! He mixed up my return with someone else's. Definitely get a complete copy of your return including all schedules and worksheets. Schedule 3 has different sections, and line 8 specifically could be from various sources. You need to see exactly which box is checked or which form is referenced. The fact that your CPA isn't responding is a huge red flag. If they can't explain every number on your return, that's a problem. You're the one who signs the return under penalty of perjury, not them.

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Mei Lin

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Wow, that's almost exactly what I'm dealing with! How did you handle it with your CPA once you figured out the mistake? And did you end up filing an amended return or did you catch it before filing?

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I caught it before filing because I always review everything carefully. When I confronted my CPA, he initially tried to defend it saying it was a "strategy" he uses for clients. That was an immediate deal-breaker for me - there's no legitimate "strategy" for claiming credits you don't qualify for! I requested my documents back, found a new CPA, and reported the first one to the state board of accountancy. It's one thing to make an honest mistake, but his response showed it wasn't just a mix-up. My advice: don't sign anything until you understand every number on the return. Get a second opinion if needed. And definitely find a new tax professional who is responsive and transparent. The right CPA will welcome your questions and be able to explain their work clearly.

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Ava Garcia

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Check if your CPA is trying to claim the Qualified Business Income deduction (QBI) from Section 199A. Its technically on Form 8995 or 8995-A but flows to Schedule 3. The QBI deduction can be up to 20% of qualified business income but you need to have business income to claim it. Some sketchy tax preparers try to classify W2 income as business income to claim this deduction, which is straight up wrong and will get you in trouble. If your income doubled this year to around $75k, that would explain the ~$15k deduction (20% of $75k).

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Miguel Silva

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But QBI doesn't go on Schedule 3 line 8, it goes on Form 1040 line 13 as a deduction from taxable income. Schedule 3 line 8 is for credits and other payments, not deductions. I think this is something else.

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