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Tax professional here. Your friend should be careful with this approach. The IRS specifically addresses this in Publication 535 (Business Expenses). While certain startup costs for a new business can be deductible, personal moving expenses are considered exactly that - personal. Even if the move is motivated by business reasons, the costs of physically relocating your household belongings, family, etc. are personal living expenses which are not deductible. What COULD be deductible: expenses directly related to moving business property and equipment, market research costs in the new location, costs of securing a business location, etc. What IS NOT deductible: costs of moving household goods, travel expenses for family members, house-hunting trips, temporary living expenses, closing costs on home purchase.
This is exactly what I needed - thank you! So if he's primarily moving his household and family, those expenses aren't deductible even if the reason for the move is business-related. But if he's also moving actual business property, that portion could potentially be deductible?
That's correct. The expenses for moving actual business property (like specialized equipment, inventory, business furniture, etc.) to the new location could potentially qualify as legitimate business expenses. Those would be reported on the business tax return. The personal household moving expenses remain non-deductible regardless of the business motivation behind the move. This is a common area where business owners often blur the lines, but the IRS is quite clear on maintaining the distinction between personal and business expenses. Your friend should keep meticulous records and separate receipts for anything that might qualify as a legitimate business expense versus personal moving costs.
When I started my insurance agency, I tried deducting moving expenses as business startup costs and got audited. The IRS disallowed all household moving expenses but did allow: - Cost of moving actual business equipment - Business setup costs in new location - Business licenses in new state - Professional fees related to establishing the business Learn from my expensive mistake - keep personal and business expenses completely separate!
Sorry you had to learn this the hard way. How did the audit go overall? Was it just a matter of paying the additional tax or were there penalties too?
Has anyone here dealt specifically with California's market-based sourcing for service income? I've read that if my clients are benefiting from my digital agency services in California, I need to attribute that income to California regardless of where I'm located. My biggest client is based in Texas but has significant operations in California, and I'm not sure how to determine where the "benefit is received" in this situation.
California is super aggressive with this stuff. Generally, if your client is using your work product in CA, they consider the benefit received there. I had a similar situation with a national client and ended up having to apportion based on their customer breakdown. It's annoying, but I asked my client for the approximate percentage of their customers in California and used that to calculate the portion of my service income attributable to CA. My accountant said this was a reasonable approach since I had documentation from the client.
One thing to consider that I haven't seen mentioned - Public Law 86-272 provides some protection from state income taxes for certain businesses, but it typically doesn't apply to service businesses like digital agencies. It only protects sellers of tangible personal property. This caught me by surprise last year when my accountant explained why my SaaS business couldn't use this protection despite having no physical presence in many states where we had customers.
Wow, that's a really important distinction! So basically as a service business, we have even fewer protections than physical product sellers? That seems backwards considering we use even less of the state resources/infrastructure...
Yes, it's counterintuitive but that's exactly right. PL 86-272 was enacted in 1959, long before digital service businesses existed at scale. It specifically protects businesses that sell tangible personal property when their only activity in a state is soliciting orders that are approved and fulfilled from outside the state. Service businesses don't get this protection, which means you can potentially create income tax nexus more easily than a company selling physical products. Many tax professionals believe PL 86-272 needs to be updated for the digital economy, but until then, service businesses need to be especially careful about multi-state compliance.
Just a data point for the original poster - my wife and I have similar income disparity (I make about 110k, she makes around 45k) and we have a 5-year-old. We've run the numbers both ways for the past three years, and filing jointly has ALWAYS saved us between $1,800-$2,500 compared to filing separately. The main reason is that filing separately makes you ineligible for so many credits and deductions. Plus the tax brackets for "married filing separately" aren't just half of the "married filing jointly" brackets - they're actually worse in many income ranges. The only year we seriously considered filing separately was when my wife had massive medical expenses that wouldn't have met the threshold under our combined income.
How do the child tax credits work if you file separately? Do you each get to claim one kid or does only one spouse get to claim them?
With married filing separately, generally only one spouse can claim a qualifying child for the Child Tax Credit. You can't split the children between spouses like you might think. Additionally, if you file separately, the income threshold for the Child Tax Credit phase-out is lower than when filing jointly, so you might get reduced credit or none at all depending on your income. This is actually one of the biggest disadvantages of filing separately when you have kids - you potentially lose thousands in tax benefits compared to filing jointly. In our case, that was about $4,000 in various child-related tax benefits we would have partially or completely lost by filing separately.
Am I the only one who hates that the answer to every tax question is always "it depends" or "run the numbers both ways"?? Like, there should be a simple rule of thumb for when filing separately makes sense vs filing jointly. Tax software should automatically tell you which is better for your situation without making you do everything twice.
The rule of thumb actually IS pretty simple: married filing jointly is better for about 95% of couples. The only major exceptions are: 1) One spouse has huge medical expenses 2) One spouse is on income-based student loan repayment 3) One spouse has previous tax issues (liens, back taxes, etc) the other wants to avoid 4) Couples in community property states with specific situations
Thanks for breaking it down like that! Makes more sense now why everyone keeps saying to use the joint filing. I guess I was hoping there would be some income threshold where it flips, like "if one spouse makes 3x more than the other, then separate is better" or something simple. Good to know that joint filing is almost always the default best choice. Will save me some time next year!
To answer your original question more directly - I'm a fan of TurboTax for most situations, but when you have multiple major life changes in one year (marriage, house, dependents), it might be worth paying for a professional review. What I typically do is complete everything in TurboTax first, then take it to a CPA for review. This costs way less than having them prepare it from scratch, but gives you the peace of mind that everything is correct. My CPA charges about $150 for a review versus $400+ to prepare everything. Also, double check that you entered everything correctly. The most common mistakes I've seen friends make: - Entering the same income twice - Claiming credits they don't qualify for by misunderstanding a question - Incorrectly entering mortgage interest or property tax information
Thanks for this practical advice. I hadn't thought about doing it in TurboTax first and then just getting a review. That seems like a good middle ground between doing it all myself and paying the full price for preparation. Did your CPA find many errors when they reviewed your self-prepared return?
The first year, yes - my CPA found several issues. I had misunderstood how to enter some 1099-MISC income and had incorrectly calculated my home office deduction. The corrections actually increased my refund by about $800. In subsequent years, I've gotten better at using the software correctly, and now the review is mostly just peace of mind. The CPA usually just verifies everything looks right and occasionally suggests an additional deduction I might have missed. Most errors happen when your tax situation changes significantly - like in your case with marriage, home purchase, and dependents all at once.
I used to work at a tax preparation company, and honestly, TurboTax is very reliable for most situations. That said, $17,500 does sound high, but not impossible with all your life changes. One thing nobody has mentioned yet - check how much you and your spouse had withheld from your paychecks throughout the year. If you both were withholding at higher single rates while actually being married (which often has better tax advantages), that alone could explain a big chunk of the refund. Also double check you didn't accidentally enter something twice. The most common mistake I saw was people entering the same W-2 twice or entering both the W-2 and a duplicate 1099 for the same job.
Giovanni Rossi
The other commenters covered the tax deduction part, but I want to address the reporting question. You should definitely keep records of where you worked and for how long, especially for situations crossing state lines. Even though both Florida and Oregon don't have income tax, if you had worked in a state that does have income tax (like California or New York), you would potentially need to file a nonresident state tax return for the income earned while physically working there. Some states have reciprocity agreements or minimum thresholds before filing is required, but the rules vary widely. For future reference, always document these temporary work locations carefully - dates, locations, and any communication from your employer about the arrangement. This documentation can be crucial if questions come up later.
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Carmen Ortiz
ā¢Thanks for that additional info! I didn't even think about the state tax implications if I had chosen a different state. If I do something similar in the future and pick a state WITH income tax, how long would I need to work there before I'd have to file a tax return for that state?
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Giovanni Rossi
ā¢It varies significantly by state. Some states require you to file a nonresident return from day one, regardless of how little you earn there. Others have minimum thresholds like working more than 30 days or earning above a certain amount. For example, New York technically requires nonresident income tax filing for any work performed in the state, even for a single day. Other states might have a 15-30 day grace period. Some have minimum earning thresholds ranging from $1,000 to $3,000 before you need to file. There are also a few states with reciprocity agreements where you might only pay tax to your home state.
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Fatima Al-Mansour
Your company should issue you a W-2 that includes ALL of your wages for the year, regardless of which location you worked at. Since both states have no income tax, your federal taxes won't change. One thing nobody's mentioned - check if there are any local city taxes that might apply! Some cities have their own income taxes even in states without state income tax. For example, some Oregon cities have local taxes even though the state doesn't.
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Dylan Evans
ā¢This is a really good point! Seattle has that head tax thing that even non-residents have to pay sometimes. OP should check on local taxes for wherever they worked.
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