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Quick tip: If it's a public university, check their W-9 form which is often available on their procurement or vendor relations website. Almost all universities make their W-9 available online for vendors who need to pay them, and it has their EIN right at the top. Just google "[university name] W-9" and you'll probably find it in seconds. Saved me tons of headache when dealing with a similar situation for my continuing education courses.
Omg thank you! I just found my school's W-9 online exactly where you said it would be. Honestly why wouldn't the administration just tell me this instead of giving me the runaround for weeks?!
Most university staff just aren't trained well on tax questions - they get focused on their specific department responsibilities and don't think about the bigger picture. It's frustrating but pretty common across higher education. Another tip is that the procurement office or accounts payable department will almost always know where to find the W-9 and EIN info if you can't locate it online. They deal with these requests from vendors constantly.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I think you might be eligible for the Lifetime Learning Credit even without the 1098-T? It's meant for exactly this type of continuing education and certificate programs. As long as you have proof you paid tuition to an eligible educational institution you should be able to claim it.
You're right about the Lifetime Learning Credit being usable for certificate programs, but TurboTax and other tax software still require you to enter the school's EIN to process the credit. The IRS technically requires the EIN of the educational institution for any education credit claim.
Something important that hasn't been mentioned: once approved for the Form 4361 exemption, you're permanently opting out of Social Security benefits based on those earnings! I've seen people file this form without realizing they're giving up retirement benefits. Also, the IRS is very strict about the timing. You must file by the due date of your tax return for the second year in which you had self-employment earnings of $400+ from ministerial services. Miss that window and you're permanently required to pay self-employment tax, no exceptions.
That's really important info, thank you! So even if I did qualify (which I now understand I don't since I'm not a practitioner), filing Form 4361 would mean giving up all future Social Security retirement benefits? That seems like a major decision that shouldn't be taken lightly.
Yes, that's correct - but with an important clarification. Filing Form 4361 means you'd be exempt from paying self-employment tax on your earnings from ministerial services, and consequently, those specific earnings wouldn't count toward your Social Security benefits. However, if you have other employment where you pay Social Security taxes (like a second job), those earnings would still count toward your benefits. Many people misunderstand and think it's an all-or-nothing situation, but it only applies to the income from your religious services. It's still a significant decision though, especially if ministry is your primary income source.
Just a heads up, the IRS is VERY specific about who qualifies as a "Christian Science practitioner" for Form 4361. You need to be listed in the Christian Science Journal as a practitioner or be a commissioned Christian Science reader. They will verify this! It's not just about attending services or being a member of the church.
This is accurate. My cousin tried to claim this exemption as a devout Christian Scientist who occasionally counseled church members, but his application was rejected because he wasn't officially listed in the Journal. The IRS doesn't mess around with these religious exemptions.
If you can't wait to get the certified letter, you might want to check if your post office offers "informed delivery" which lets you see scanned images of your mail online. Might at least let you confirm if it's from the IRS before you panic too much. Also, if you're really tight on money, call the Taxpayer Advocate Service at 877-777-4778. They can sometimes intervene in hardship cases, especially if you're at risk of not being able to afford basic living expenses because of the tax debt. They're separate from regular IRS collections and can sometimes be more helpful.
I didn't know about Informed Delivery! Just checked and my post office does offer it, but it takes a few days to set up so probably won't help with this letter. But thanks for the TAS number - I'll definitely call them if I can't work something out with the regular IRS line. I'm definitely in hardship territory right now, so maybe they can help me out.
One thing I learned when dealing with a tax lien - DON'T ignore that certified letter! The clock on your appeal rights starts ticking from when they ATTEMPT delivery, not when you actually get it. I think you have 30 days to request a Collection Due Process hearing, which can stop the lien while you work things out. Also, if you get the lien notice and then pay in full, make sure to specifically request a lien WITHDRAWAL not just a release. A release just shows it's paid but stays on your credit report, a withdrawal makes it like it never existed. Huge difference for your credit score!
One thing to consider - if you're filing back taxes and expect refunds, double check if you had any stimulus payments during those years. For 2021 especially, if you didn't receive the third stimulus payment ($1,400 per person), you might be eligible to claim the Recovery Rebate Credit on your return. Also, if you had children and were eligible for the expanded Child Tax Credit in 2021, make sure that's accounted for. Those were partially sent as advance payments, but you might be eligible for the remainder. Those two things alone could significantly increase your refund for 2021!
Oh wow, I completely forgot about the stimulus payment situation! I did receive the stimulus payments but definitely need to make sure I account for them properly. I don't have kids so the Child Tax Credit doesn't apply to me, but this is super helpful info for anyone else reading this thread. Do you know if the tax software will walk me through these special credits for past years? Or do I need to specifically look for them?
Most tax software for 2021 should definitely ask you about stimulus payments received. They'll typically ask if you received the full amount, a partial amount, or nothing, and then calculate the Recovery Rebate Credit accordingly. If you received the full amount, you won't get more, but it's important to enter it correctly to avoid processing delays. Even though you don't have children, also check if you qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit for those years. The eligibility was expanded for 2021, and more people without children qualified than in typical years. The income limits were higher too.
I just went through this whole process of filing 3 years of back taxes. My biggest piece of advice is to gather ALL your documents before starting. Make a checklist: - W-2s from all employers for each year - 1099s (interest, dividends, contractor work, etc) - Mortgage interest statements - Student loan interest - Health insurance forms - Any major life events (buying home, education, etc) Once you have everything organized by year, the software is actually pretty straightforward. I used TaxSlayer for all my back years and while it was a bit pricey (about $40 per year including state), their interface was really easy to use for someone who was overwhelmed like I was.
Would you recommend doing all the years in the same software? I've heard some people say it's better to use the same company for all your back taxes so there's consistency, but others say to just use whatever is cheapest for each individual year.
Alina Rosenthal
Something nobody has mentioned yet - check if you can deduct it on your state taxes! Even if you can't benefit from itemizing on your federal return, some states have different rules or lower thresholds for medical expense deductions. For example, my state allows medical expense deductions that exceed just 4% of income instead of the federal 7.5%. Also, some states offer special credits for people with lower incomes who have high medical costs.
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Kristian Bishop
β’That's a great point I hadn't considered! Do you know where I would find information about my state's specific rules for medical deductions? Is there a website that compares all the different state rules?
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Alina Rosenthal
β’The best place to check is your state's department of revenue or taxation website. Just google "[your state] department of revenue medical expense deduction" and you should find the official information. Each state has different rules, and they don't always match federal guidelines. Don't bother with websites that compare all states - they're often outdated. Your state's official tax website will have the current rules. You can also download your state's income tax forms and instructions, which usually explain the medical deduction rules in detail.
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Finnegan Gunn
One thing to consider - are you eligible for the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC)? With an income of $22k, you might qualify for a refundable credit that could be more valuable than trying to deduct the dental expenses. Also, if your income is actually $22k from employment and you paid for the dental procedure yourself, you might look into an HSA for future medical expenses if your employer offers one. Too late for the current expense, but helpful for the future.
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Miguel Harvey
β’The HSA suggestion isn't great for someone at this income level. You need a high-deductible health plan to qualify, and those can be risky for lower income folks. Plus HSAs don't typically work with dental unless it's medically necessary.
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